ATVI Statement on Modern Warfare 2 Flap

October 28, 2009 -

Responding to footage leaked online yesterday from Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 which showed the apparent ability for gamers to take part in a terrorist attack, Activision verified that the content was legitimate and explained that players will have the opportunity to skip over the scene in question.

VG247 has the full statement:

Players have the option of skipping over the scene. At the beginning of the game, there are two ‘checkpoints’ where the player is advised that some people may find an upcoming segment disturbing. These checkpoints can’t be disabled.

Modern Warfare 2 is a fantasy action game designed for intense, realistic game play that mirrors real life conflicts, much like epic, action movies. It is appropriately rated 18 for violent scenes, which means it is intended for those who are 18 and older.

About the events taking place in the scene itself, Activision explained:

The scene establishes the depth of evil and the cold bloodedness of a rogue Russian villain and his unit. By establishing that evil, it adds to the urgency of the player’s mission to stop them.


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The Daily Mail over here in Britain are quick to ... well, do what they do best - whip up hysteria, completely and utterly mislead readers and disregard facts.

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Terrorism Game Outrage

This Christmas' top selling computer game could be one in which players kill hundreds of civillians in an airport. The sick game, called Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, features a level in which players score points by shooting unarmed passengers at an airport terminal, according to a trailer released on the internet.

The footage shows the player entering airport security with a machine gun in hand, before killing every innocent bystander in sight, often while they are crawling away injured or screaming for help. Eventually, the player must shoot the police that come to the public's aid to progress.

Gamer Alan Burke, 14, said "The game looks like a lot of fun. All my friends at school are getting it for Christmas". But mum Cathy was outraged; "I can't believe they thought this was suitable material for such impressionable minds" she told us, "it's absolutely sickening".

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare sold over 7 million copies, and this new version is predicted to break that record. Market research shows that most of the players are aged between 12 and 18.

PM Gordon Brown condemned the game in a conference call this evening, saying "It's atrocious that the entertainment industry feels the need to make light of such a serious and grave issue", and Conservative MP Justin Davis called for the game to be banned from sale. Activation, the company who make the dispicable title, refused to comment.

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Come on Americans, let's have a competition - are these guys worse than FOX or what? Show me some so-called journalism spewing vitriolic garbage that tops it. :) Other countries can feel free to join in, but I'm not sure what's worse than FOX or the Daily Mail when it comes to evil video games.

Bonus points if politicians comment, especially if it's clear that they've only read the news article, haven't seen the game or haven't even heard the publisher's point of view.

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Just saw the airport video with a friend. We were surprised by what we saw. It's pushing the envelope and that is good.

 

But we both had the same thought.  "Jesus Christ Fox is gonna have a field day with this....."

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"sigh" Why people HAVE nag at things like this seriously?

They are complaining about a game that is supposed to be played by adults. Althou some kinds and teens will play this game (mostly due to their parents' sheer ineptitude) this is a non-issue. There are movies that show a lot more violence and even the death of civilians (Passenger 57 is a quick example). And what about the so called "torture porn" movies like the Hostel movies? It's a nice touch that you can actually skip this part (I guess) but as long as the scene doesn't show kids being shot or executed it is not as bad as some movies. (Oh oh Saving private Ryan's war scene was pretty gruesome too)

I believe that so called "shock" that is coming from some people is coming from the post 9/11 fears that has intoxicated our society. I'm sure Fox news is gonna run with this game footage and it's gonna proclaim that game industry is teaching kids to be terrorists or some other garbage that will not make a drop of sense.... And in Glen Beck's case it is incredibly hard to imagine what is he going to say (Seriously some of his recent rants makes me question his sanity and I ain't joking).. Since Fox news were the first idiots who spoke lies about Mass effect and the happy farm escapee of Glenn Beck brought Jacko Thoompson on his show when he was on HLN it is not far fetched that they are gonna make up a sided story about all this and it is a matter of days before they'll do it.

 

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"Althou some kinds and teens will play this game (mostly due to their parents' sheer ineptitude)"

Since when is it 'inept' to make the decision to allow kids to play mature-rated games when there is not a single piece of evidence showing a causal link between playing violent games and ANY behavioural problems?

You're falling into the trap laid by the anti-game lobby here.  Games - even violent games - are not harmful to kids.  They can be played quite safely and responsibly as soon as a kid can handle the controls.

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Hence the word "Some"

If you think your son/daughter is mature enough to handle games like these go right ahead. You're failing to see my point, keep in mind that some parents don't want their kids to see things like this (either personal reasons, religious ignorance etc.) and when their friends have these games and these kids play them they might be a bit impressionable. If a parent is not there to teach their kid the difference right and wrong, reality and fantasy there is always that possibility that a kid might be affected by it. This not only applies to video games but other media outlets as well.

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What age group are we talking about here though? Personally I see no problem with allowing a 14/15 year old in high school to play such games. On the other hand i don't think young children, like those in the single digit age brackets and slightly above, should be playing these games although in that case it would depend on the individual child in question. 

 "No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

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If there is parental supervision I see no problem on that.The key word in all of this is "parental responsiblity" parents have to assume responsibility of their kids instead of making the goverment create laws to protect them.

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Would you allow an 8 year old to play any of the recent GTA games? What about Manhunt? Jericho?

It totally depends on the child and their maturity, that's up to the parent, but generally it's good parenting to simply know what's appropriate for them. With that in mind, I'd expect the vast majority of parents not to allow kids from 13 years or younger to play 18-rated games.

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I would love it if Activision tracked how many copies of the game actually opted to skip the scene.  I would put money on zero.

 

Andrew Eisen

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There is no need to get sand in the vagina over giving people a choice of what they want their experience to be.

Such a scene will, while being entirely compelling within the storyline, be too much for some people.  The game dev's decided to give those people an out and not ruin their experience.

I'm not sure how that pisses in anyone else pool, I imagine it will be an innoccuous stop point rather than "WOULD JOO LIKE TO KEEL PPLS NOW KTHX??!??!?!"

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"Such a scene will, while being entirely compelling within the storyline, be too much for some people."

Poor babies.  Diddums!

Maybe they should choose titles like Viva Pinata and leave mature games like Modern Warfare 2 on the shelf until their balls have dropped.

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Good sir you have very witty and clever analogies. Kudos

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I don't think this is a good idea at all. For starters, I don't like to be suddenly brought back to reality by a warning that tells me that something in an M rated game may be disturbing. In fact, I don't like anything that interrupts the "engaged" feeling. Just takes away from the fun. Second, games as a whole will never be considered "grown up" by the general populace if we keep caving in to these god damn pussies that want to keep things they don't like (for whatever reason, legitimate or not[note that the pussy comment only applies to those without legitimate reasons, but they still aren't right]) from being available. It's for this same reason that things like Six Days in Fallujah or whatever it was called hasn't been produced. Games are very capable of dealing with adult topics, far more so than any other medium in fact due to the sheer amount of interactivity they provide, and shouldn't have to hide in fear of some watchdog group or someone's outdated morality system, which they shouldn't be pushing on others anyway. I do love how they actually included an opportunity to be really evil for purposes of establishing a mood/drive for the player. I just don't like how they downplay it as if it were something bad. I'm a little disappointed in them for taking this kind of initiative. Taking one step forward and one step back, is a pretty darn hard way to get anywhere. BTW, why is it that this thing is being mashed into one big wall of text, ignoring my paragraphs?

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Other forms of entertainment come in both complete and cut forms all the time.  Theatrical films are edited for broadcast television.  Many movies are available on DVD in both R-rated and unrated, uncut editions.  Whether you personally like these things or not, they have done nothing to prevent film from being "grown up."

In any case, it isn't being kept from being available.  None of us will have the chance to play the Fallujah game, whereas this does absolutely nothing to keep Modern Warfare, terrorist level and all, out of anybody's hands.  There is no censorship going on.  All this does is give people whose preferences differ from your own a chance to have something they will enjoy more.  Indeed, if anyone is trying to push their standards on others, it's those attacking the idea of including the choice.

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Of course there is censorship going on.  The game has a button that allows the player to censor it themselves.  However much control the player has over it, that is still censorship.  The point is, this is already a M-rated game.  It shouldn't give options to anyone - not even the player - to censor it, especially not for 'objectionable' content.  The players are adults.

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All of the content is fully available to anyone who wants it; the only difference is that now the individual consumer has more ability to use it in the way that he deems most suited to his own preferences.  If giving people greater control over their entertainment in the way Activision is doing is "censorship," every movie I own is "censored" because I watch them on a DVD player with a fast-forward button.  Presumably, closing my eyes or turning my head away from the screen during a scene I don't like would be censorship, too.

Yes, the players are adults.  So why don't you want to treat them that way?  If you're so respectful of their adulthood, why are you so opposed to letting them make their own choices about how each of them experiences the game?

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I don't see why anyone would want to skip only a part of a game they dont like.  I don't kow about you guys, but I view a piece of media as a whole, not a sum of its parts.  Just ignoring something I don't like doesn't give me the whole experience.  If something within said game/movie is simply too much for me, I wouldn't play/watch at all.  Then again, thats never happened so...

It's one thing if its there just for shock factor, like gore in pretty much any "horror" (not really) movie, but if its included to give the consumer insight to some aspect of the story/background/emotional motivation behind the characters/give the players themselves motivation, then I'm all for it.  I'd even tolerate something I don't like for that reason alone.

In a game like MW2, the moment I choose to skip any scene, is the moment I cease to experience the game as a whole, and only experience the gameplay.  Personally, I feel skipping a scene is a bit disrespectful to all the people that put so much work into crafting the game, particularly those who worked on the scene in question.

When you buy a game, its not just for your own enjoyment. You're supporting the industry.  As gamers, we don't exactly have many allies out there atm, so we need to stick up for ourselves and eachother.

Besides, under normal circumstances a customer would let their money speak for them with regards to whatever content they don't like.  With this skipping ability, more people that would normally have not spent money on the game due to said scene, will buy it now.  That means that regardless of what their personal views are, their money is still implicitly supporting whatever the game does.   If you think about it that way, to skip that one scene and somehow feel as though you're on the moral high ground (unless you skipped for some other reason, like having actually gone through a terrorist attack), it's actually kind of hypocritical.

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A right wing "news channel" which constantly makes incorrect stories of videogames just got a hard on

Never underestimate the power of idiots in large amounts.

Never underestimate the power of idiots in large amounts.

Re: ATVI Statement on Modern Warfare 2 Flap

Never mind the fact that kids have been playing terrorist in Counterstrike for how long?


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This is a great idea.  I wasn't offended by the level, but I can understand how some people may be.  Giving them the option to skip the scene kind of makes it a win-win for everybody, even if skipping the level will take a good chunk out of the complete experience.  And honestly, I don't think it's a big deal that it asks players if they want to skip it.  Some one mentioned that Brutal Legend did the same thing, and it really didn't take from the experience.  I don't think there's a trend to fear here.  This is something that hasn't been attempted in a video game before, and some people may not be all for the sequence.  I think once games really start to "grow up," and not be afraid of showing scenes like this, then people will get used to these pretty ballsy ways of making a good story.  Then, stuff like these checkpoints won't appear anymore.

That's just my feel, however, and I can be completely wrong.

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Re: ATVI Statement on Modern Warfare 2 Flap

From what I've seen, you may not have to kill any civilians in order to finish the level.  If that's the case, this whole thing may be a flap over nothing.

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Well never mind, they wanted it for controversy, not for making people uncomfortable.

The whole thing was probably an intentional leak.

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"At the beginning of the game, there are two ‘checkpoints’ where the player is advised that some people may find an upcoming segment disturbing. These checkpoints can’t be disabled."

I don't like where this is going.  I don't need or want my video games to interupt my play to make sure I'm okay with its content.

 

Andrew Eisen

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You have a good point.  On the other hand, this is far better than the other options, and some people may feel uncomfortable with walking through what looks like an airport shooting people standing in line.

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Those people can go play something else.  There is no need to inconvenience the majority in order to pander to the unnecessary wants of the extreme minority.

Imagine if Saw VI popped up a text warning before every trap scene advising squeamish audience members to avert their eyes.

 

Andrew Eisen

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I disagree with comparing Modern Warfare 2 to the Saw franchise

Their is one big difference and that's what we expect. Modern Warfare 2 is a sequel and part of a war frachise, but a war frachise that has never depicting the shooting and death of civilians in this manner. Fans of the Call of Duty series have played the games and know what to usually expect but THIS would not be one those kinds of things.

In contrast, the Saw franchise doesn't need to have a text pop up to give you a warning because we KNOW what to expect. If we did not want to see torturous violence then we should not be watching the movies in the first place.

You tell players that if they don't want to play these kinds of scenes then "Those people can go play something else", but then i have to ask "how are those people supposed to know this kind of stuff is in the game without playing it"? frankly, it would be wrong for Activision to assume that all of their players will look up the games in enough detail to know this kind of content is present.

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Precisely.  It's immediately obvious that Call of Duty involves violence, but from past games in the series (and Modern Warfare 2's marketing, presumably) the assumption is that the violence of the player is in a particular moral context- you're shooting at armed combatants for the sake of a just cause.  That's something a lot of people like about it, myself included.  Taking the role of a terrorist killing helpless civilians is altogether different.  I find the concept of looking through the bad guy's eyes intriguing, but it's hardly unreasonable if some people who enjoy Call of Duty because they like playing the role of a heroic soldier recoil from the prospect of spending a level murdering innocent people on behalf of some bloodthirsty Russian neofascist, and if they can be accomodated so that they can still enjoy the game I think that's great.

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"...if they can be accomodated so that they can still enjoy the game I think that's great."

As long as it's not at the expense of everyone else's enjoyment, I totally agree.

 

Andrew Eisen

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I don't see how this can ruin someone's enjoyment of a game. In this fairly unique example, it's a once off mission. All you have to do is pick an option you prefer and go for it. It's not like you're going to have to put in some long complicated code, or read a 3 page disclaimer, or enter a username and password to access the level. It just states that upcoming content may disturb some people and gives you a choice. The same thing is said before movies on tv and it takes maybe 3 seconds.

Just imagine the alternatives: 1) The level is mandatory in order to progress through the game. Now you have all the fearmongering ignorant tv stations and media outlets clamouring about how the game "forces" you to kill innocent bystanders, about how you have to massacre civilians in order to get points. It's a massive amount of bad publicity, and while I do not agree with any of the crap that is said about games on Fox et al, the video game industry can certainly do without it.

2) Scared of the possible backlash, Activision scrap the idea for the level, and settle for a newsflash cutscene. We receive an fps while excellent, that does not push the boundaries of storytelling any further than it's predecessor.

With this solution, we avoid most of the media shitstorm, while retaining the "you don't have to do it, you are warned in advance" answer for any shows that try and push the issue, and we the gamers get a game containing possibly one of the bravest and most relevant pieces of content I've seen.

When you talk about there being warning all the way through a SAW film, I don't think the analogy really holds up. SAW is a horror film start to finish. You don't go to see one expecting there to be no disturbing or violent imagery. However, from the previous Modern Warfare game, it's not unreasonable to expect more of the same, battling hostile enemy military forces throughout the game. Now, all of a sudden, this level appears where instead of an exciting battle against well armed soldiers who are trying to outflank you, Jesus Christ you're watching shoppers get gunned down by terrorists. While I would not be affected myself by the imagery, I can imagine there would be people out there who might be shocked or even offended by it.

Given how touchy a subject terrorism is these days, I say kudos to the developers for being innovative in terms of storytelling yet responsible enough to recognise the potentially troubling reactions to that storytelling and offering a solution that should keep all but the most ignorant fearmongers happy.

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"I don't see how this can ruin someone's enjoyment of a game...  The same thing is said before movies on tv and it takes maybe 3 seconds."

Exactly.  The warnings are before the movie not during it.  And once again, perhaps Modern Warfare 2 handles this in a truly unobtrusive manner that does nothing to interrupt the flow of the game.  My point from the start is that I fear this could easily be taken too far in future games.

"When you talk about there being warning all the way through a SAW film, I don't think the analogy really holds up."

As I said earlier, "I was not comparing those two titles, only pointing out how annoying and stupid it is to interrupt an experience (game, movie, book, song, whatever) just in case someone might have an issue with the content."

 

Andrew Eisen

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 "I was not comparing those two titles, only pointing out how annoying and stupid it is to interrupt an experience (game, movie, book, song, whatever) just in case someone might have an issue with the content."

One thing i think i would add though is that fact that with most video games your experience is already being interrupted periodically, through loading screens... Modern games are already not a constantly flowing experience like a movie, book, song or whatever. i mean would this disclaimer be anymore bothersome then what you already have to deal with when it comes to loading screens? 

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Seeing as most games I play don't have loading screens and loading screens drive me nuts, yes.

 

Andrew Eisen

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"I disagree with comparing Modern Warfare 2 to the Saw franchise"

I was not comparing those two titles, only pointing out how annoying and stupid it is to interrupt an experience (game, movie, book, song, whatever) just in case someone might have an issue with the content.

"You tell players that if they don't want to play these kinds of scenes then "Those people can go play something else", but then i have to ask "how are those people supposed to know this kind of stuff is in the game without playing it"?"

Ratings, previews, word-of-mouth.  All the usual methods.

"frankly, it would be wrong for Activision to assume that all of their players will look up the games in enough detail to know this kind of content is present."

If a gamer finds such specific content unbearably offensive, then it's up to that gamer to ensure that it's not in the game.  Or just stop playing when he/she encounters it.

 

Andrew Eisen

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"ratings"

Activisions has no control over what will be mentioned in ratings, and can not make people read them and therefore should not assume their consumers will read them

"Previews"

Thus far, Activision has not been showing this kind of material in their previews for the game

"Word of mouth"

Again something Activision does not control

 

And that's what it comes down to... Activision has no way telling whether or not their consumers will research the game enough to find out these factors, esepcially not a game based off of a franchise which has pre-set expectations... Gamers like you and me troll the internet and keep up with the latest news on the hottest upcoming games but their are thousnads of gamer who do not... their are plenty of gamers who play these same games but don't spend much time online... Hell sometimes these games are picked up by parents looking for a present for their teenager.

Activision is just acting under the assumption that the players will NOT know before hand...

 

"If a gamer finds such specific content unbearably offensive, then it's up to that gamer to ensure that it's not in the game."

But why should they even expect it in the first place? After YEARS of call of duty games why should THIS game contain content that they would find offensive? One thing we are even seeing in comment here on GP that their ARE gamers that do find this material goes to far, and put it on a different level then most other things that have been depicting in these games.

The thing about franchises is that they generally don't stir all that far from what they usually do. I mean, where else in the franchise does the player just gun down innocent civilians? you're asking that they should look for things that they do not even begin to expect to be there in the first place. They KNOW the franchise, they THINK they KNOW what they are getting into, but this is something that can take them by surprise...

 

"Or just stop playing when he/she encounters it."

Guess they just wasted $60 then... too bad activiion couldn't have warned them somehow and give them the option to skip and keep playing the rest of the game... oh wait

 

"There is no need to inconvenience the majority in order to pander to the unnecessary wants of the extreme minority."

Thinking about it now, i think those who would find such disclaimers to be an real inconvenience to be an "extreme minority"... one that i do not think Actiivion should bother pandering too

Ya, i don't think the majoirty is gonna give two shits about a 5 second disclaimer

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I don't mind the warning (though, I do find it silly and unnecessary), I just don't want my game interrupted to make sure I'm okay with what I'm about to see.  A note on the back of the box?  Fine.  A warning before the title screen?  Also, okay.

As I said before, the way this particular game handles this is probably just fine.  I'm simply concerned it's going to go too far with other games in the future.

 

Andrew Eisen

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I'd prefer the saw series came with a warning every few minutes that the movie was a mediocre gore fest.  

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:: Commercial ::

:: Back to the show. ::

"The following scenes may contain situations or material that may be inappropriate for minors.  Viewer discretion is advised."

You also made me think of that new box that can be connected to the TV and be used to auto skip over the "not-so-kid-friendly" parts of certain movies.

I don't know, though.  It really is a toss-up for me.  Put it in the Options section, like the options for Gore or Blood.  But, if it's something like this which is more indepth and context oriented, maybe a checkpoint, one checkpoint, can't really hurt.  Depends on how it's done.

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I don't see how this inconvieniences the majority

Brutal Leged has a screen for both swearing and gore, asking whether you want it, or to have it censored, it took like 2 second each to read, and in classic schafer, was actually quite entertaining.

4 seconds out of my life to answer two questions on whether i was okay with curses and gore (and i am) did not affect me in the least.

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Sure, that's not a big deal and however Modern Warefare 2 is handled probably isn't that inconvenient either.  My point is I don't like where this trend could potentially be heading.

 

Andrew Eisen

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Agreed.   I mean if you play a game like this you are pretty likely to know it has gore just like certain shows/movies are likely to.  It is known.  Not like you are flipping channels and catch this warning.  ie you bought the thing. 

Anything that interrupts the flow of gameplay I (and many others) find highly annoying.  Putting it in options or asking before the game actually starts would be much better.   Then again I dislike (to the point of hating) cutsceens that cannot be skipped (Jade Empire comes to mind). 

If they really Need to have it in game then yes an early checkpoint (1) would be tolerable.  

In this society I cannot fault them for not wanting to be sued by someone claiming they were not warned.  

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Interesting you mention Jade Empire at this point, because I did not recieve warning about the fox demon full on boobage.

I didn't care because i knew it was rated M, but i checked the box and apparently ESRB doesn't consider fox demon boobs worth mentioning as nudity.

I found it funny as hell (i was up late, anything was funny at that point).

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Fantastic handling of the situation.  Absolutely fantastic.  My hat's off to them, and the story sounds like it's going to kick ass.

 
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Neenekowell, specifically it helps people already living there and hurts people who want to live there instead. As for 'way more hurt', majorities generally need less legal protection. yes it hurt more people then it helped, it was written for a minority04/16/2014 - 8:30am
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james_fudgeUnwinnable Weekly Telethon playing Metal Gear http://www.twitch.tv/rainydayletsplay04/16/2014 - 8:06am
ConsterTo be fair, there's so little left of the middle class that those numbers are skewing.04/16/2014 - 7:42am
Matthew Wilsonyes it help a sub section of the poor, but hurt both the middle and upper class. in the end way more people were hurt than helped. also, it hurt most poor people as well.04/16/2014 - 12:13am
SeanBJust goes to show what I have said for years. Your ability to have sex does not qualify you for parenthood.04/15/2014 - 9:21pm
NeenekoSo "worked" vs "failed" really comes down to who you think is more important and deserving04/15/2014 - 7:04pm
NeenekoThough I am also not sure we can say NYC failed. Rent control helped the people it was intended for and is considered a failure by the people it was designed to protect them from.04/15/2014 - 7:04pm
NeenekoIf they change the rules, demand will plummet. Though yeah, rent control probably would not help much in the SF case. I doubt anything will.04/15/2014 - 1:35pm
TheSmokeyOnline gamer accused of murdering son to keep playing - http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2014/04/15/21604921.html04/15/2014 - 11:50am
Matthew Wilsonyup, but curent city rules do not allow for that.04/15/2014 - 11:00am
 

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