IED Detection: One Skill Gaming Does Not Improve
IED Detection: One Skill Gaming Does Not Improve
October 29, 2009
While gamers might be adept at flying drones and operating other types of high-tech military weaponry, they finish behind two other groups of personnel when it comes to being skilled at detecting improvised explosive devices (IED).
The Los Angeles Times reports that military personnel with hunting backgrounds or those who come from tough urban neighborhoods surpassed gamers when it came to spotting explosive devices.
Why is this the case? Gamers “do not seem to have the depth perception and peripheral vision of the others, even if their eyesight is 20/20” states the article. Army Sgt. Maj. Todd Burnett added:
Video game enthusiasts are narrower in their focus, as if the windshield of their Humvee is a computer screen. The gamers are very focused on the screen rather than the whole surrounding.
Sgt. Maj. Burnett said that the best class of soldiers he’s ever seen at detecting IEDs were members of the South Carolina National Guard, nearly all of whom are from rural areas and participated in hunting.
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ZippyDSMlee: Devrys online corses are about 5-7 grand a year I think.
ZippyDSMlee: Devrys online corses are about 5-7 grand a year I think.
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Valdearg: @Zip: Not exclusively Online, I don't think. And it's like 17,000 a year, to attend. Not worth it, IMO.
Valdearg: @Zip: Not exclusively Online, I don't think. And it's like 17,000 a year, to attend. Not worth it, IMO.
Posted 03/17/10 at 04:25pm
ZippyDSMlee: Vlag:do they have online corses?
ZippyDSMlee: Vlag:do they have online corses?
Posted 03/17/10 at 04:22pm
Valdearg: Fun. For what it's worth, at ITT, it was 8 Week Quarters.
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Posted 03/17/10 at 04:10pm
ZippyDSMlee: Vlag:looky here, http://forums.theeca.com/showthread.php?t=8590
ZippyDSMlee: Vlag:looky here, http://forums.theeca.com/showthread.php?t=8590
Posted 03/17/10 at 04:09pm
ZippyDSMlee: Valdearg:So force our nobles in charge to re join normal sosicty is unrealistic?
ZippyDSMlee: Valdearg:So force our nobles in charge to re join normal sosicty is unrealistic?
Posted 03/17/10 at 04:08pm
Valdearg: Instead of thinking about these fanciful notions of how things should work in your world, you should be thinking how can we realistically fix the problems with our current system. Small steps mean progress, big leaps are usually defeated.
Valdearg: Instead of thinking about these fanciful notions of how things should work in your world, you should be thinking how can we realistically fix the problems with our current system. Small steps mean progress, big leaps are usually defeated.
Posted 03/17/10 at 04:07pm
Valdearg: @Zip: Thinking realistically is the first step to bettering yourself. :P
Valdearg: @Zip: Thinking realistically is the first step to bettering yourself. :P
Posted 03/17/10 at 04:06pm
ZippyDSMlee: They should be treated as part of society not nobility and I have been labeled an incompetent so I can haz my monies, not like its enough to live on....going to be fun when I start devry in a few years.....
ZippyDSMlee: They should be treated as part of society not nobility and I have been labeled an incompetent so I can haz my monies, not like its enough to live on....going to be fun when I start devry in a few years.....
Posted 03/17/10 at 04:04pm
ZippyDSMlee: House/senate/P/VP do not need to be paid , they also should be blocked from working with any industry thats attached to government(even lowest contract bids) after office.
ZippyDSMlee: House/senate/P/VP do not need to be paid , they also should be blocked from working with any industry thats attached to government(even lowest contract bids) after office.
Posted 03/17/10 at 04:02pm
ZippyDSMlee: Also survive<live
ZippyDSMlee: Also survive<live
Posted 03/17/10 at 04:00pm
ZippyDSMlee: They do not need to be paid, the fame,influence,back scratching, free security and reduced housing is all they need to live and work.They live far to far away from society to be charged with its governance....
ZippyDSMlee: They do not need to be paid, the fame,influence,back scratching, free security and reduced housing is all they need to live and work.They live far to far away from society to be charged with its governance....
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ZippyDSMlee: Vlag:If I had the millions they did on average I would not need my check to survive.
ZippyDSMlee: Vlag:If I had the millions they did on average I would not need my check to survive.
Posted 03/17/10 at 03:57pm
Valdearg: So, you want congress to work for free while you don't work and get paid.. Sounds totally logical.
Valdearg: So, you want congress to work for free while you don't work and get paid.. Sounds totally logical.
Posted 03/17/10 at 03:56pm
ZippyDSMlee: Vlag: Goverment needs an overhaul not absolute destruction tho I dubt it would be changed any other way >>.
ZippyDSMlee: Vlag: Goverment needs an overhaul not absolute destruction tho I dubt it would be changed any other way >>.
Posted 03/17/10 at 03:55pm
ZippyDSMlee: Vlag:Only if congress stops taking their checks :P
ZippyDSMlee: Vlag:Only if congress stops taking their checks :P
Posted 03/17/10 at 03:41pm
Valdearg: @Zip: Tell you what. How about you be the first to forsake government. You want to neuter it, how about you stop cashing those SSD Checks you receive every month. I mean, if Government is bad, then clearly, that money is corrupt.
Valdearg: @Zip: Tell you what. How about you be the first to forsake government. You want to neuter it, how about you stop cashing those SSD Checks you receive every month. I mean, if Government is bad, then clearly, that money is corrupt.
Posted 03/17/10 at 03:08pm
ZippyDSMlee: Can we neuter government first before we fix health care?
ZippyDSMlee: Can we neuter government first before we fix health care?
Posted 03/17/10 at 02:33pm
Andrew Eisen: I just skimmed the article but it doesn't appear the survey was made up, just that it was sourced incorrectly.
Andrew Eisen: I just skimmed the article but it doesn't appear the survey was made up, just that it was sourced incorrectly.
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Hunters are good at spotting things? Stop the freakin' presses...
I think that's the funniest comment I've seen on gamepolitics.
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What about hunters who also game? I mean, I can stalk a deer for as far as I want, but I can also slaugther zombies in L4D (zomebie genocidist right here). On a related note, hell yeah hunters and tough urban youths.
I wonder if there's any difference between console and PC gamers? The relative distances from the screens probably changes the level of perception.
Also, my peripheral vision is great, because as the resident socially inept kid in elementary school, I constantly had to be aware of potential wedgies and wet-willies from any direction. Even today I get a little jumpy if someone comes up on me between five and seven o'clock. I guess today's modern hip call o' duty gamerz don't have to develop those skills, tho.
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I'm going to have to take the sarcastic route as well... Hunters and kids from rough neighborhoods have better peripheral vision and are better at spotting things!? And people who mostly stare straight ahead don't!? NO WAI!
In all honesty, I don't think my own peripheral vision would be as great as it is if it wasn't for years of marching band. If you screwed up there you'd end up being the jerk who steps all over the guy that just passed out from dehydration or the idiot who backs up too far and rams into the person behind you.
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Yeah, this article states the obvious, but I have to credit it for being truthful. It's better than making up lies.
I play video games, probably too much (I think that would be obvious), and I also march in a band. I'd agree, it does help out with peripheral vision, and I've even partially learned to spread my eyes apart so that one can follow the drum major while the other can keep track of pretty much everything else. It's kind of necessary, because my director and seniors will bestow upon me the gift of running for every mistake I make. Trust me, after a few 'coming to Jesus' meetings (run laps 'till you see him!), you'd be surprised at how fast evolution can take place!
Uh.... what? So a "hunter" in a Humvee can somehow see things a normal alert person can't see out the Humvee's windows...??? Do they have X-ray vision to see through the Humvee's floor perhaps? What a stupid article.
I would actually put this at an even simplier cause....
In games, most games are designed with some kind of 'wink' on interactable objects. Gamers learn to spot things that matter by clues designers put in for them.
You're missing the main fault in their premise...
Just because someone is a "gamer", doesn't mean they aren't a "hunter". Not to mention there are a lot of other professions that rely on observation skills. Heck, I used to be a Lifeguard and we were trained to spot people in distress out of huge crowds of people, that's pretty far off from being a "hunter". And yes, I am a gamer too.
Now, see, THAT'S research. Observation is beaten down as valid research, but it truly is. Especially when you know so much about those you are researching.
Peripheral vision, when it comes to computer/video games, is really artificial. You have the limits of the screen in front of you. Moving the "Camera" is turning your head. That's not peripheral vision.
Now, supposedly (and I don't have the money or the inclination right now), having 3 or more monitors widens the view. But unless those two side monitors are on either side of your head, technically, you're still looking straight on, unless you're vision limits you to the middle monitor and only portions of the side monitors.
I'm not sure how VR glasses worked for normal vision folks. they were crap for me.
The best environmental equivilant gaming system would be a monitor, from floor to ceiling, a full half circle around the room that you would stand in front of (if you drew a straight line from each end of the monitor and stood at the middle of that line). I really don't see a better system for providing true peripheral vision support from a computer/video game. And you'd probably have to extend the monitor up and down to get those perspectives as well.
Other than that, live simulation training is the only way to train for the real world.
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LOL!! If you already know how to avoid stepping in all that dog shit while walking in the 'hood, then you're a better candidate than a gamer for avoiding stepping on a IED in Iraq. Sweet.