Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s Group

October 29, 2009 -

The leaked Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 footage has raised the hackles of a few parties in Australia.

The footage, which showed gamers playing the part of a terrorist and taking part in a massacre of civilians at an airport, prompted the Australian Council on Children and the Media to call for a re-review the game’s MA15+ rating.

The group’s President, Jane Roberts, told Australia’s The Age:

The consequences of terrorism are just abhorrent in our community and yet here we are with a product that's meant to be passed off as a leisure time activity, actually promoting what most world leaders speak out publicly against. We understand that it's a game but ... we're not far off when you look at the images that you could actually put it on a Channel Nine news report and you'd think maybe that is real.

South Australian Attorney-General Michael Atkinson, who is usually described as the main reason the country does not have an R18+ rating for videogames, offered that, “Expecting game designers to be responsible by not glorifying terrorism will always lead to disappointment."

Electronic Frontiers Australia lobbyist Nicholas Suzor was a bit more rational, saying the topic highlighted even further the need for an adult rating in Australia:

Films often show the villain's perspective and, by doing that, they get across the character's story and the heinous nature of people who carry out atrocities. Games, too, are becoming more expressive, and are telling more involved stories

Suzor added:

We may make an argument that these sorts of topics are not suitable for children, but I don't at all accept that it is unsuitable for adults.

An Office of Film and Literature Classification (OFLC) spokesperson said the Board could not review its own decisions.

Activision has since said that the scene in question is skippable by players.

Thanks Ryan and Dante


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Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

 The only real terrorism I know about in Modern Warfare 2 is the lack of dedicated servers.

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

How could anybody be thick enough to think that this "promotes" or "glorifies" terrorism?  I hate people so much sometimes...

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

"The consequences of terrorism are just abhorrent in our community and yet here we are with a product that's meant to be passed off as a leisure time activity, actually promoting what most world leaders speak out publicly against..."

This, along with the subesequent quote by the attorney general, is why so many critics of games drive me up the wall: So many of them can't be bothered to pay attention to what the content they're objecting to actually is- turning a scene where the game's villains commit a terrorist act into a "glorification" of terrorism, in this case. I vehemently oppose government interference with games because of their alleged influence on children, or because the content is offensive or immoral, but I can at least understand why an intelligent, responsible, well-meaning person might think that.  This sort of reckless disregard for truth, on the other hand, is utterly despicable.

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Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

"we're not far off when you look at the images that you could actually put it on a Channel Nine news report and you'd think maybe that is real."

...Except, no??

Besides, is the sequence even given to the control of the player aside from being able to skip it?

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

Yes, it's playable, though that's pretty much the only aspect of it these people seem to have any clue about.

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Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

So let me get this straight for one skippable scene you play as terorrists and the rest of the game you play as counter terrorists and yet this game encourages terrorism?

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Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

I'd like to say this surprises me, but I can't. The Aussies ratings board is made up of a bunch of overly moralistic 50 year old christian ultra-conservatives who look upon the material they're censoring as little more than a 3 year old's distraction. People don't want people who KNOW about and UNDERSTAND video games, I mean, they'd all just be a bunch of enablers. They want good religious folk with "life experience" and "old fashioned values". People who think the naked orgy musical number from The Wicker Man is the most frightening thing in horror movies. They'll keep the children safe... You know, when they're not molesting them.

-Asking questions in school is a great way to learn. If you try that stuff here, you might get your legs broke. We once found a dead guy face down in the Slurm. It could easily happen again to you, folks.

-Asking questions in school is a great way to learn. If you try that stuff here, you might get your legs broke. We once found a dead guy face down in the Slurm. It could easily happen again to you, folks.

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

Actually, the ratings board are just a bunch of buereaucrats making decisions based on guidelines handed down to them.

If the guideline tomorrow said "No fluffy bunnys", they'd ban games with fluffy bunnys.

The people who decide what the guidelines are (ie. the attorney generals) are bound by a system that says if even one person dissents, they can't pass a change.  One person is dissenting.  He is the problem.

Either which way, it's irrelevant, the game was rated with the terrorist scene in it otherwise it would be re-rated.  Just because the content is not pleasing to some viewers doesn't mean it breaches the guidelines.  Think the Hitman series.  You play as an assassin, but that was not banned in Aus.  While the content might be morally questionable, the execution/graphic nature of the content is typically what is rated. 

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

Funny thing is though, at least half of the OFLC want to introduce the R18+ rating.

 

As the shop assistant at the EB games near my house said, if MW2 is banned then all manner of hell will be unleashed.

IMA FIRIN MAH LASER!!!

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

I have heard that this scene in the game is entirely OPTIONAL. As in, you don't have to participate in this. Why all the damn noise?

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

Because all of us gamers are crazy mofos and if we play this we're going to shoot up an airport.

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

“Expecting game designers to be responsible by not glorifying terrorism will always lead to disappointment."

So by depicting terrorism, they are glorifying it? By that logic, every newspaper or website article that describes a terrorist act, every news broadcast that shows footage of one, every single person in the world who talks about one is glorifying terrorism.

I believe it was said in Activision's press release that it was for storytelling purposes in order to establish just how evil and reprehensible the story's atagonist was. That's hardly glorifying it, but unfortunately I don't expect these idiots to be capable of understanding that as it's clear to them that video games don't have any kind of narrative qualities and that the whole game is about shooting civilian bystanders...

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

Holy crap. That group is full of censoring bastards. Quoted from the same article:

"If that material was on the internet about how to become a terrorist, how to join a group and how to wipe out people - that would be removed because it would not be acceptable."

That is not true at all. There are a trillion how-to guides concerning explosives and other home-made destructional devices. Fuck, there's probably a number to call if you want to join the Taliban, and you can probably find it online somewhere. It is totally acceptable to give people information. What is unnacceptable is HURTING people using said information.

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

(Note that I feel the same way about child porn that has already been created. Same logic applies, as the crime was already committed. You don't see videos/pics of robberies being forced to be taken offline, or people with said pictures getting arrested, yet you do if it has naked kids in it, even if it happened twenty years ago. Just saying.) Free speech is free speech, as long as you aren't harming someone else. Once something is created, it's there, you shouldn't punish people for having it. You don't get punished for having the plans to make a pipe bomb, or punished for watching the Ukranian Screwdriver Stabbing video, but get punished for having pics of a non-violent crime that has nothing to do with you. Clear and present contradiction here.

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

Child porns OK by you as long as the pics were taken in the past?

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Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

Yeah. (I mean, I also think that pics sent between teens are OK also. It's wrong for consenting people to be punished for sending something to someone they care about, especially if it's legal to have sex with them. AoC is 16 in Michigan, yet I'm not allowed to see a PICTURE of a naked woman that I can legally have sex with until she's 18? Bollocks. Same with AoC laws in general. By 13 or 14, I knew what sex was, I knew the precautions to take, I knew the consequences of irresponsibility. As long as it isn't rape or coercion, and both parties know the consequences and fully consent, it should be legal. People are no more able to have sex at 16 than they are at 15 years and 364 days, and there are plenty of people that are over 16 that are more clueless and more immature than people under 16)

A stickier issue is modeling, because nude modeling of girls isn't inherently wrong, many times the girls are perfectly fine with it, and the parents are fine with it (it's a good source of money). They'll lead perfectly normal lives if no actual abuse happens. However, if bastardized governments and invasive groups force the child to think that they've been abused, that they're somehow diseased because of something that they WANTED to do, that is when they'll be more likely to have troubles when they grow up.

But, as far as nude pictures of children, I don't think it should be a crime to possess them. Possession =/= harming a child. Better they fap to those pics than go out and ACTUALLY abuse a child. I would say that AoC should be a) after puperty and b) if both parties consent without coercion and without any facts about sex being omitted. So porn (as in, pictures of sex) should be allowed for anyone that can have sex, and nude pictures (without penetration) should be allowed if the child consents, the parents consent, and other usual modeling conditions are adhered to (if there are any concerning privacy/ownership/viewership/whatever).

And my final note is that not all "child porn" is alike. I'd never look at nude pictures of a child under 13 or 14, but after that age I can't say that I wouldn't. I'm not a pedophile by definition. I'm an ephebophile, which is perfectly natural. My ideal age is between 16 and 20-ish, and to say that THAT isn't natural would be denying every male thought ever.

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

NO NO, Australlia already f'ed up Left 4 Dead 2 for the people, don't f'ed up MW 2 because you don't like it.

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Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

Well, guess the game just lost it's classification.

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

Is the Aussie pussy govenmnet fast enough to ban this game so close to release?

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

"call for a re-review the game’s MA15+ rating"

Well they could have rated it R18+ but....yeeeeah.

"you could actually put it on a Channel Nine news report and you'd think maybe that is real"

Maybe if you're stupid. Really the game doesn't look THAT realistic.

"Expecting game designers to be responsible by not glorifying terrorism will always lead to disappointment."

Michael Atkinson, missing the point entirely for over seven years.

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

Since when have video games glorified terrorism?  This is the first case I can think of where you actually play as a terrorist outside of multiplayer vs. mode.  And that's ignoring the fact that the point in this is to show you just how bad your enemies are, on a level Hollywood directors can only dream about.  I think it's brilliant.

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

I will never understand why some forms of warfare are acceptable to glorify while others are not.. except I guess which methods your own people (or allies) are currently using.....


Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

I think it's very interesting that this scene of terrorists shooting civilians provokes such a reaction, when scenes in previous CoD titles of soldiers shooting and torturing prisoners of war have been virtually ignored.  I'd have more respect for the bozos who are up in arms about this if they were a bit more consistent.  I guess to them, if the terrorists are on 'our side' it's okay.

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

Are you speaking of COD2's Russian torture?  In the first level?  Because that's not really news.  The Russians were well known for fighting the war in a brutal way that often stepped over the line of 'interrogation'.  Of all the groups we fought against in WWII, it was the Germans who treated their POW's the best. 

As for COD4, they were there to find out who sold him a nuke and to kill him.  They did both, and without his assistance.

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

Going into a heavy civilian establishment with no military presence and shooting everyone is not an act of war it's murder. I can't think of a game where you do something similar playing as a good guy.

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Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

GTA, Fable, Assasins Creed, Oblivion, Fallout 3, so on so forth.

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I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

All the more reason why it's a good thing that such a thing has now happened.  As gamers we've been in the cradle for 30+ years, but one cannot stay in the cradle forever.  At some point we have to accept that video games are a grown-up medium for grown-up people.

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

"Activision has since said that the scene in question is skippable by players."

Well pack things up and call it a day. If someone finds it that gut wrenchingly atrocious, press start to skip scene. Or they can go watch the 5 channels on tv that they think are "safe".

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

Sh*t will hit the fan if this game gets pulled so close to release. You can expect more than an online petition if this happens.

Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

"We may make an argument that these sorts of topics are not suitable for children, but I don't at all accept that it is unsuitable for adults."

Now if only we could get certain politicians to understand this.

 

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Re: Modern Warfare 2 Footage Winds Up Australian Kid’s ...

So wait, the OFLC wields the power to rate the games, but can't even review their own rating decisions?

 
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