Rappers Subpoenaed for Estavillo Suit

December 2, 2009 -

Erik Estavillo has outdone himself once again, this time subpoenaing a pair of rappers to testify at his civil lawsuit against Sony Computer Entertainment America over his banning from the PlayStation Network.

Those to be summoned are Louise Amanda Harman, better known as Lady Sovereign (pictured left), and Anthony Henderson (aka Krayzie Bone) of the group Bone, Thugs & Harmony. The pair were subpoenaed because Estavillo desires to, “highlight how rappers are not censored/banned/or punished for ‘cussing/trash talking’ on private property i.e. clubs, concerts, music channels/events or award ceremonies.”

Estavillo previously promised to be done with filing lawsuits. Today he indicated that these would be the last of his subpoenas. Musicians, actresses and billionaire titans of industry around the globe can now breathe a little more easily.


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It amazes me this guy thinks he knows law so well.  I looked at his appeal brief he submitted to the Ninth Circuit for the Sony case on the PACER system.  I about died laughing!!  I'm not sure if he is calling these people in as witnesses for the federal appeals suit or the state court suit.  Either way, I don't believe any of these witnesses will ever meet Mr. Estavillo.

No wonder most judges have a bias against pro se litigants.  Now, if you want to read about an interesting lawsuit against a big company filed by a pro se litigant Google Riggs v. MySpace.  That case has far more merit about a deleted account that should not have happened.  Not to mention, MySpace could be on the hook for $40 million for stealing the idea for MySpace Celebrity. 

His lawsuits are nothing compared to the stakes in that case.  She really is trying to help members and never sought out the media attention of this guy.

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I hope to god they throw these cases out. This guy just irratates me seeing how arragont he is. *nerd rage*

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Bringing in rappers to comment on censorship has what exactly to do with a lawsuit over the RROD and a firmware update on the Wii?

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He's brining them in for the PSN lawsuit for his being banned for being a dick online

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The PSN suit and the appeal were both thrown out by the courts.  Did I miss a second appeal somewhere?

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The ONLY reason why rappers are able to curse and say what they like during concerts, in clubs, and what not is because those venues LET THEM! The owners of those venues are under absolutely no legal obligation to give those rappers the stage or even let them in the door. If the rapper does something that the venue does not like then they can toss them out on their asses (except ofcourse, they signed a contract stating otherwise). And hell, this kid is not even the rapper on stage, he's the dick-headed drunk at the bar... and if the bar owner don't like his attitude, he will cut him off and then throw him out

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Musical acts are censored all the time. There was once talk of banning Eminem from Toronto and Cannibal Corpse isn't allowed to perform a number of their songs in Germany, the US, and Toronto.

The only thing Estavillo will be able to prove on a balance of probabilities is that he's a complete and utter moron.

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Makes me think of the scene in Dr. Who when Rose tried to do a terrible Scotish accent.

No, don't do that.

No, really, don't.  Really.

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Re: Rappers Subpoenaed for Estavillo Suit

tune in next week when he subpoenas an abortion clinic to talk about how being banned makes him wish he was never born *sarcasm*

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Hah! Sadly, this guy seems crazy enough to do it. Stop giving him ideas! Lmao..


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Somehow, I wouldn't put it past him saly.

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I'm going to sue this guy due to making hostile actions, and you can quote me on that.

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He is currently embodying EVERYTHING that is wrong wit hthe American legal system

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There are many other places in the world that deserve more fair access to justice and lawyers than the US does. I wish these places could just outsource from our surplus of lawyers.


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I believe he is representing himself, so he's not wasting a lwayer, though I couldn't say for certain whether that is a good or bad thing ;)

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So, if this guy is a real person, who is paying to keep a roof over his head and food in his belly?   The grownup responsible for this psycho needs to step in and stop this.

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According to one of his interviews, he's on disability and receives about $800 / month from the state.  California will waive any legal fees for filing lawsuits if you're under X amount of income and fill out the appropriate form, so these suits aren't costing him any money.

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Is this a great country or what? (Hooah)

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Well, knowing how expensive it can be to live in Southern California, I'm pretty sure $800/month really doesn't go very far.

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This guy needs to lose everything he has. He needs to lose his home, his way of life, his "Support" for his crushing emotional issues. He needs to be on the street. TAKE EVERYTHING FROM HIM!

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At the end of the day, performers have to go with whatever has been worked out in their agreement with whatever venue they're at.  If that means that the concert is going to be 21 and over because the venue's had problems with underage drinking, that's what's going to happen.  If that agreement says that the rappers cannot swear, or need to censor their music a bit, that's what's going to happen, or the venue will take action against them.  As a PRIVATE venue, they reserve the right to do basically whatever the hell they want within the confines of the law. 

As for swearing on 'music channels', MTV, long believed by idiots and children to be the edgiest TV channel, still won't allow goddamn, fuck, and many other slurs.  Just because sometimes MTV doesn't censor out the word 'nigga' does not mean they're not censoring out words like 'fuck' and 'nigger'.  The same goes for radio stations, which often air edited versions of songs (and if you'd like to hear those versions for yourself, just google radio edit or go to WalMart and buy the songs on CD there). 

These are all private entities that can censor whatever they wish. 

Besides, I would liken what Erik did to being more along the lines of going into a family restaurant (Applebees, Outback Steakhouse, TGIFridays, something in that vein) and swearing and spouting racial slurs repeatedly.  They don't have to let you stay there if you're going to act in such a manner.

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Radio stations are bound by the standards of decency the FCC lays down for them.  TV Networks (not to be confused with cable networks) are also bound by these same standards.

So, no, radio stations have no choice but to beep out inappropriate language, or not air the song, or air a radio edit.

(And for the record, MTV is about as edgy as a Saturn full of Creed fans.)

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They could incur the fine from the FCC, or move to XM.  My understanding is that a station can only be fined once a day for breaking the FCC's decency standards.

And yes, MTV is the very acme of the 'faux-edgy' movement.  Oh man, you're airing shows like Jackass?  How edgy. 

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Your understanding is false.  Out of the kerfluffle following Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" obscenity can now incur up to a $500k fine for EACH INSTANCE on radio or TV.  In the case of a network the fine can go out to EACH STATION, so if you get an F-Bomb on an NBC program that airs on 100 stations, the money can get thick rather quickly.

Also, stations can not just readily "move to XM."  Personalities can be hired by Sirius/XM (i.e. Howard Stern) but stations can not just wholesale make the leap to satellite.

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Around here only place top find "uncut" CD's is FYE.

 

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The only legal obligation clubs, bars, and similar businesses have in providing entertainment is to provide a music license (ie from ASCAP) in the case of having proof that they are allowed to play copyrighted music in a public setting. This only deals with the case of playing music by other people when those said people aren't the actual performers. You are correct in that the censorship/content rules are left to the the business owners.

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Subpoenaing Krayzie Bone to testify don't make no sense. Testimony can't be received from someone under the influence of drugs and there's no time at which Krayzie ain't blunted.

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Really though, what part of this whole thing has been all that sensible?  It's been wave after wave of crushing stupidity and insanity. 

Honestly, this is reading less like a list of witnesses subpoenaed with a purpose and more like a list of people that Erik has always wanted to meet.  And I honestly hope they all hate him for wasting their time.

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That is actually my guess of why he is subpoening the people he is.  He wants to meet them and figures that this is the only way he will get to.

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I wholeheartedly agree.  I don't believe for a damn minute the reason he gave for any of the subpoenas.  It's such a flimsy premise, and so poorly disguised.

It seems like a wish list of people he wants to meet (and a hilarious list at that.  Depeche Mode's founder?  WINONA RYDER?  It's a bit of an eclectic list to say the least), not a list of people who are invaluable witnesses to his hardships and whatnot.

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Wasting their time?! How? Them people ain't showing up to testify at Mr. Estavillo's trial. Mr. Estavillo's lawsuit will be bounced outta court long before it comes anywhere near a trial date.   

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I'd like to point out that the lawsuit originates in California, and there've been some ridiculous lawsuits in that area.  It really would not surprise me if they let it go to court.

But I do hope that it is bounced out (which it damn well should be).

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I think you'll find those aforementioned clubs can and WILL throw paying customers out if they act like too much of a dick

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Then won't he just sue them for throwing him out for acting like a dick?

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The pair were subpoenaed because Estavillo desires to, “highlight how rappers are not censored/banned/or punished for ‘cussing/trash talking’ on private property i.e. clubs, concerts, music channels/events or award ceremonies.”

They certainly can be.  And have.  Look what a five second search turned up:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3029314.stm

 

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I suppose once the U.S. annexes St. Kitt and St. Nevis your link will be relevant.  Until then, not so much.

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No one specified it had to be America but good eye all the same.  I imagine if I spent another five seconds searching, I'd find a similar incident in the US.

 

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He forgets that the clubs, whilst they may not choose to throw out rappers for 'offensive lyrics' etc, are perfectly within their rights to do so as long as the club being performed in is a private one, they choose not to because they wouldn't make much income if they threw out every musician who swore, and because, in part, people go there expecting such language use. An online community, in retrospect, has to deal with such behaviour, but people shouldn't have to 'expect' having expletives hurled at them in the course of a game, and, being a private forum, the management reserve the right to eject those who are being deliberately distruptive, which is more or less the rules you will see in any nightclub.

The mistake Estavillo makes is assuming that he is somehow the 'headline act', much as the performers at a club, and not one of the audience.

Edit: Besides, considering the amount of times bands have been reprimanded or attacked for 'offensive lyrics', with some venues refusing to host certain acts for that reason, this seems to be a case of shooting himself in the foot.

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A rap act that performs in a club is basically being given permission by the owner to use the language they use.

Yet Xbox (the owner of this club) clearly states that such language is intolerable.

 

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GP queried Estavillo on what might be the basis of his next lawsuit. He responded that he doesn’t plan to sue anymore companies, and that we could “quote him on that.”

Liar, you subponead several rappers making the stupidity chip burn in my head

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America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

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Can we sue Estavillo for pain and suffering at having to be exposed to his bull%@#$?

I'd like to subpeona God, Bill Gates, Elvis, Grey Aliens, and Olivia Munn.

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"I'd like to subpeona God, Bill Gates, Elvis, Grey Aliens, and Olivia Munn."

The funniest part of that statement is that someone once actually tried to sue God.

It just goes to show you that no matter how insane you think your statement is, real life is always capable of out-crazying even our wildest imaginations. Haha.

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This story sounds more viral every day.

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Final note: Rappers are not companies. Estavillo promised to not sue COMPANIES. Got it?

 

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How can you be so sure about this, i mean how is it possible that what if someone promised to do something and later does not stick to it. Wrong assumption.
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Subponeaing is not the same as suing. That makes MY stupidity chip burn.

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