Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale People

December 10, 2009 -

In light of Australia’s refusal to classify Sega’s PC game Aliens vs. Predator, the country’s ABC News outlet ran a short video piece on the controversy with comments from everyone’s favorite Attorney General, Michael Atkinson.

The report quickly covers the Aliens vs. Predator story, noting that the game’s developer, Rebellion, will not edit the game in order to appease censors.

Gary Farrow, cast as a typical gamer, was asked about the  lack of an R18+ rating in Australia. The 42-year old offered, “We’re talking about just labeling content, so we have a fairly educated idea as to what to expect [from a game].

Atkinson’s comments on calls for an adult videogame rating:

This is a question of a small number of very zealous gamers trying to impose their will on society. And I think harm society. It’s the public interest versus the small vested interest.

Atkinson on violence in games:

I accept that 98%, 99% of gamers will tell the difference between fantasy and reality, but the 1% to 2% could go on to be motivated by these games to commit horrible acts of violence.

You don’t need to be playing a game in which you impale, decapitate and dismember people.

Australia’s Interactive Games and Entertainment Association (IGEA) CEO Ron Curry was also interviewed in order to counter some of Atkinson’s remarks. He stated:

It doesn’t seem democratic that a single attorney general should be able to dictate what the vast Australian population can interact with.

The government trusts us to be adults with films, but they only want us to be children with games.

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Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

This is a question of a small number of very zealous gamers trying to impose their will on society. And I think harm society. It’s the public interest versus the small vested interest.

How I may ask are gamers to trying to impose their will on society?! First off the gaming industry targets gamers of all kinds not everyone! Atkinson is thinking not knowing. Again this is his opinion. He is not letting adults either play their games. But yet they are still harming society. This whole fiasco started out as kids first, now it has escalated to everyone in his view. I hope this prob doesn't happen in the U.S. any time soon. Atkinson sounds looney enough w/out the help.

I accept that 98%, 99% of gamers will tell the difference between fantasy and reality, but the 1% to 2% could go on to be motivated by these games to commit horrible acts of violence.

You don’t need to be playing a game in which you impale, decapitate and dismember people.

Isn't this the whole point of games being made in order to get to the end of the game? He is still talking about alien vs. predator. It's a game, it's not real whereas you are an alien (unless you are the type of person out there that believes in aliens) or monster that has to kill humans to get to the bottom of the problem.

This guy needs to be roped in a chair to where he can't move & then gamers come in & play violent games for him to watch & talk to him about the scenes of the games. Hopefully he would then have a better view if not a more positive view of video games for adults & kids.

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Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

Even if we did, Atkinson will only go off to the media and try to claim that Gamers are nothing but kidnappers and made him sit though a whole lot of violence and even child porn in their videogames.

He has the ability to lie and he will use it in order to win the next election. 

 

So my guess is that we should stick on topic and just understand that Mr Atkinson is like a stubborn bull who will never change for anyone, and someone will have to beat him to his seat at Election time or hopefully the Liberals would eventually win power in South Australia which is not likely to happen unless if those sex scandles that happened to the SA Premier make most of the voters in the state change their view on a few things.

 

TBoneTony

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There are serious flaws in what he says.

"This is a question of a small number of very zealous gamers trying to impose their will on society. And I think harm society. It’s the public interest versus the small vested interest."

Gamers aren't trying to impose their will on anyone. Australian Gamers simply want to play the game. These gamers would not force all of society to play the game. The only will that is being imposed is his own. He thinks that these games may harm society. This is his opinion on the matter, an opinion that he can't back up in anyway. Then there is the second quote:

"I accept that 98%, 99% of gamers will tell the difference between fantasy and reality, but the 1% to 2% could go on to be motivated by these games to commit horrible acts of violence.

You don’t need to be playing a game in which you impale, decapitate and dismember people."

The currently speculated population of Australia is about 22 million. 1% of that is about 220,000. Assuming that he is trying to make a serious speculation as to the percentage of those who could be motivated by a game, that is a lot of crazy Australians. This number is ridiculus. He has no study or statistic to back it either. That said, I don't think such a study is even possible. If one had to speculate on who is crazy and would do such a thing, a more plausable number would be considerably less than 1%. Also, there are plenty of other objects with a "better" history of motivating violence in those who are mentally unstable or ideologically dangerous. Holy Books have inspired violence due to misinterpretation. People have read a book then thought that killing for a cause can be justified. There will always be those who misinterpret information and twist it into something that justifies violence, whether videogames are existent or not. Can we really ruin it for others due to the incompetence of a minority that is less then 1% of the population?

His last sentence is funny. No one needs to do a lot of things. I don't need to read a Tom Clancy Novel, but does that mean I shouldn't. I don't need to watch a romantic comedy, but I still can. I don't need to help the poor, but I can still give to charity. To not need to do something isn't the same as shouldn't.

I just realized something. He said 99% of gamers. This creates two issues. On one hand, that 1% may not be as big as my math or the math of others suggested. It may still be too large, just not as much as I thought. On the otherhand, this is still a baseless assumption.

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

Actually, I hope he gets hsi way. Then we get ot watch him stumble as he tries to explain why the criem rate wasn't effected at all, or why it actually went up.

Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

1 or 2%? do you realize how much of a population that is? thats A LOT of people! the people who do anything are only fractions upon fractions upon fractions of a percent.

Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

According to the national projected census at http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs%40.nsf/94713ad445ff1425ca25682000192af2/1647509ef7e25faaca2568a900154b63?OpenDocument
there are 22,073,962 people who currently live in australia. 1% of that would be 220,739.6 people who according to atkinson, go insane due to harmful media. Increase that to 2% and it becomes 441,479.24 People! if that were the case blood would be running in the streets!

Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

Im glad i live in Canada, where the politicians are too incompetent to be corrupt or worried about these things.

Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

you dont have to impale people? ... yes you do ... they deserve it hee hee hee

you do realise cleaning up the violence only glorifies it

Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

I really hope Atkinson has never read The Iliad. That amount of violence and savagery would blow his mind.

 

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Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

First it was jack thompson, and we destroyed him, Next, it will be this Imbecile.

 

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Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

More like destroyed his himself

 

Never underestimate the power of idiots in large amounts.

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Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

The only thing wrong about this whole debate, is that it is us passionate Gamers against an arrogant politician who is not really treating us like adults at all. 

We need people like the ACT, Victorian and Queensland Attorney General to weigh in on this debate and also have members from Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo, EA, SEGA, Ubisoft, Take Two and even the Australian Classification Board to have their opinions expressed.

As well as people from the movie industry, the famous authors of many famous books and even music people to have their say on the videogame ratings issue. Because even they have known of a time when wasteful government censorship used to affect their way of expressing their form of art and entertainment.

 

 

TBoneTony

Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

OMG!!! :D

 

I just watched the video from the ABC site and the intro just blew me away.

"Should adults play R rated Videogames? They can view R rated movies, read R rated magazines but in Australia adults can't play R rated videogames."

 

This news reporter just explained the most simple problem that we have always known in just under 10 seconds, my hat goes off to him for putting it plane and simple.

 

TBoneTony

Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

Well, like I have said many times, I will be moving out of Australia once when I finish university and get a good job in Canada so I don't have to suffer from the opinions of this person again.

And in any case, I have been importing games and other stuff from Japan for a few years now just so I don't have to suffer anymore before another politician wants to control what I can or can't have via the internet filter.

 

TBoneTony

Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

No words can describe how much of a cunt this guy is....

 

 

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Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

Please don't insult that noble species by numbering this asshole among them.

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Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

Please don't insult that noble species by numbering this douchebag among them.

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Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

I accept that 98%, 99% of gamers will tell the difference between fantasy and reality, but the 1% to 2% could go on to be motivated by these games to commit horrible acts of violence.

Yeah.. I will believe he ACTUALLY thinks this when he starts trying to shut down churches because of things like violence against gays or abortion doctors.

This type of statement only seems to ever apply to groups one is not part of.  But when the speaker IS part of a group, all of a sudden those 1 or 2% are magicaly 'sick' and 'do not count'

Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

By that logic we should ban every movie, book, and piece of music that has violent and/or sexual content because 1% of people exposed to it MIGHT commit a crime.

Mr Atkinson, you fail! You fail a thousand times!

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Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

 somebody prove his point right and just impale this guy already

Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

Why bother?  He hasn't got the heart, the brains, or even the balls to tell The Truth, The WHOLE Truth, And Nothing But The Truth.  So what's left to impale?

Seriously, why waste time with such?  Even if he offered to fall on his own sword, it would be a hollow gesture, filled with lots of smoke and mirrors.

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Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

This is a question of a small number of very zealous gamers trying to impose their will on society. And I think harm society. It’s the public interest versus the small vested interest.

 

Someone in the position to do so call him out on this, please!

Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

This is a question of a very zealous politician trying to impose his will on society. And I think harms society. It’s a personal interest versus the public interest.

Fixed it

Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

 You know the last time I checked reading the Bible/Koran/Torah/Etc. didn't turn the 98 to 99% who believed it into psycos that kill doctors for performing abortions or blow up a building because the government isn't controlled by their religion but you know that 1 to 2 percent those are the ones that scare me and therefore we should ban those documents since there is a 1 to 2 % chance (that by the way I completely made up) of them going psyco.

Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

Considering the current state of affairs, I'd say the amount of people inspired to do violence by a religion is way more than 1% and that's just counting the recent years.

I don't even want to think of what it would be if you counted the "holy wars" and the "clensings" that have happened over the course of humanity's existance.

Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

Actually, if you go over the time of humanity's existence, combining every religion (including multi-theistic ones) you'll probably come back to one percent.

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Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

Looks like Jack Thompson just gave birth to a son, and that son is Michael Atkinson who enjoys covering his ass 24/7.

What we got here is failure to communicate!

What we got here is failure to communicate!

Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

Atkinson has obviously never worked retail, or customer service.

Yes, there are times in my life when I need to impale, decapitate and dismember people. I would prefer to do it virtually.

Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

Having worked in the service industry, I can only concur with the statement of Mister Vinzent.

 

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Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

Having known people i too can agree.

Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

Nicely turncated, whiston.

 

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Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

Ah, good ol' "why would you want to do that" logic.  Why would you want to play Guitar Hero?  Learn a real instrument.  Why would anyone buy Gran Turismo?  Can't you just be satisfied following the rules of the road at a safe and reasonable speed limit?  Why bother to even think for yourself?  That's what government officials are for!

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Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

Atkinson is really taking pleasure from this stupid controversy he elaborated by himself. Like Jack Thompson himself, he is just trying to prove to the people of Australia that he is "working" for the common good of the people, but he is lying from his ass.

I would like to watch him trying to ban something else (music, movies, TV, alcohol), and getting backfired when people get angry at him and realize the kind of douche he really is.

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"You don’t need to be playing a game in which you impale, decapitate and dismember people."

Says who? You? Who are you to tell people what they need? What about all the films that have them and are readily availible? What about those? Do people need those? What about other forms of media that depict those things? Why just videogames?

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Well MR Atkinson just come out and say what you truly feel, you people don't need to watch TV go to the moives or listen to radio or that new fangled tiny silver recor. Get out in the ehat and go shopping! for anythign but media!!! and booze.....we need tob an booze!!!


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Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

"This is a question of a small number of very zealous gamers trying to impose their will on society. And I think harm society. It’s the public interest versus the small vested interest."

I retort: This is a question from a single fearmongering politician trying to impose his own will on a supposedly democratic society.  Treating adults like children harm society.  It's public intrest versus a SINGLE interest.

"I accept that 98%, 99% of gamers will tell the difference between fantasy and reality, but the 1% to 2% could go on to be motivated by these games to commit horrible acts of violence."
 

The problem with crazy people you see, they are crazy.  Do you think that someone so batshit and completely fucking crazy that they are going to shoot up a mall after playing DOOM won't find some other reason to do so?  The thought that the Columbine duo would have been pious choir boys were it not for the antiquated DOOM is laughable at best.

"You don’t need to be playing a game in which you impale, decapitate and dismember people."

Why the hell not?  Why should games not have access to the very same content that movies have had for decades and books have had for millenia?  If I am playing a game involving Vlad Tepes I sure as fuck expect some impaling.

 

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Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

No, we don't need to play games where we can impale people.  We don't need to play games at all.  Or watch TV, or read books (with the exception of students reading text books), or listen to music.  So let's just get rid of all that pesky media.

It's a recreational activity.  By definition, it's never "necessary."

And on that note, this alleged 1-2% who can't tell the difference between fantasy and reality.  So it's safe for them to watch Saw, but not to play Alien vs. Predator?  I know they're going to come up with the standard argument that "It's interactive", but I recall reading about a study here (no, I don't have the link handy) that argued that video games were in some ways less immersive because of the interactivity.  You can only get so far into the fantasy when part of your brain is going "Press A.  Wait for it.  Up-up-down-down-left-right-left-right-B-A-Start!"

I feel sorry for all the Australian gamers out there, being held back because one man can't get his head out of his own ass.

Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

No, that wasn't a study, that was either Zippy or DarkSaber making that comment.  I know what your talking about, though.

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Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

Also, Beer is not necessary so why not outlaw alcohol too?   

Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

alcohol is good & there are wet cities & dry cities.......remember......I love the wet cities though.

 

 

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Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

Y'know what, I guess that all of these fancy foods that taste good are unnecessary as well. There's no reason for anyone to spend more money on a Filet Mignon, so why don't we make everyone live on a diet of grits and water?

Heh, this is fun.

 

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Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

OMG! No! Uck! My fiance talks about that sometimes, but ugh. What about if people eat healthy foods only & I'm not talking about organic crap either.

 

 

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Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

And you Mr. Atkinson need to butt out of Australian adult lives. Do whatever it takes to hand Mr. Atkinson his hat and show him the door.

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So I take it that if an R18+ rating comes into Austrailia, then consumers will be FORCED to play them?

Also, GTA4 sold around 13 million copies.  1% of that is 130,000.  So according to this guy, there should be a MINIMUM (he said 1-2%) of 130,000 murders caused by GTA4 since 2008. 

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Definition time:

1% - An insignificant portion that comes out to less than a single percent.  However, since nobody has ever paniced over the words "less than a percent", we'll just round up.

1-2% - Having a specific number for rather hard to quantify data often sounds wrong, so we'll make ourselves sound more reasonable by having a potential range.  Since we started with 1%, and nobody cares about "less than a percent", we'll have to go up to 2%.

Re: Atkinson on Violent Games: You Don’t Need to Impale ...

Remember, in Austrailia, Adults are children too.

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Atkinson says: This is a question of a small number of very zealous gamers trying to impose their will on society. And I think harm society. It’s the public interest versus the small vested interest.

So it's not ok for a very small number of very zealous games imposing their will (which I'd love to see you're data on that). But its perfectly acceptable for ONE Attorney General to decide he is the arbiter of content?

I'd also love to see his data on that 1-2% figure. Given the amount of people that play games in say the United States and the amount of incidents that have been conclusively linked to their gaming I'd put the number a lot closer to 0% than that.

Atkinson really needs to be painted as what he is. Given his statements he ISN'T anti-game. He's ANTI-Free Choice. He's blatantly stated that he favors tighter regulation of MEDIA. He's an autocrat who feels it is HIS right to regulate content in all forms.

Wake up Australia don't let him pull the wool over your eyes with his "people don't really care about this issue." He's using games as a smoke-screen for the imposition of Orwellian style content regulation

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If we're talking about "amount of incidents that have been conclusively shown to be caused by their games' content" I'd put the nomber a lot closer to 0 as well. Not only close to 0%, but 0 total. Worldwide.

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".... trying to impose their will on society. And I think harm society."

Once again, Atkinson knowingly and intentionally lies to and deceives his audience.

Those interested in such content are NOT imposing their will on society.  Let's be VERY clear:  NO ONE is REQUIRED to play a video/computer game, listen to any type of music, watch any type of TV show or movie, purchase/rent (library for example)/read any type of book, etc.  Some individuals having access to such conent does NOT mean that those who don't want access MUST have access.  Conversely, however, it is HE who is imposing HIS will on society by stating that those who have an interest in anything HE doesn't like, should be denied access to that conent because HE doesn't like it.

Additionally, the comment about those wanting access to such conent are out to harm society has just been proven false and fraudulent (telling lies and deceiving others to gain or retain power and authority to deprive others of their Rights, Freedom of Speech, IS an act of fraud because of the INTENT).

"I accept that 98%, 99% of gamers will tell the difference between fantasy and reality, but the 1% to 2% could go on to be motivated by these games to commit horrible acts of violence.

You don’t need to be playing a game in which you impale, decapitate and dismember people."

My repeated arguments about the harm done to others, including children, has just been supported by this claim.  In fact, this very claim by him negates any argument that the supposed majority of religious followers are "good" and that only a few are "bad".  Since the few posing harm, whether through direct exposure (being taught directly to treat other real individuals with bigotry, hate, and abuse) or indirect and even peripheral exposures (such as observing debates, being exposed to ideals and beliefs through storylines in various media formats, and other ways), make the entire community's Right invalid or inferior, then his stance should be the same in ALL situations.  "Protect the Children!" should apply in ALL situations that children may be exposed to.  Based on his own arguments, even exposure to religion in general (text, services, etc) should be kept from children.

Mr. Atkinson has once again PROVEN that his version of morality includes lies, deceit, misinformation, and efforts to create a dictatorship, even in part, in Australia.  This isn't just about the content about games.  It's about his views on Freedom of Speech in general.  If he wants to smoke screen and keep the people from knowing the Truth, The WHOLE Truth, And Nothing But The Truth, it's up to Freedom of Speech Advocates to bring challenge to his arguments and bring those challenges not only to his peers in government, but to citizens of Australia as well.

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Impose their will on people?  What about the Attorney General imposing his will on people? 

Also, even if it could be proven that games do force people to commit violent acts it would never be close to 1%.  Austrailia has a population of 21,374,000 people.  If 10,000,000 people play games in Austrailia, that would mean that 100,000 people would commit violence because of them.  Considering that the murder rate is 1.2 murders for every 100,000 people, 1% would always be too high.

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quiknkoldOne of the tennants of Gamergate is to stand up against Harrassment. That Gamers arent like those assholes. We can argue for days if the Sexism or Antifeminism or corruption is there or not, But the one thing I believe in and wear on my sleave is that09/17/2014 - 7:35pm
quiknkoldBut there were these websites, attacking me and people like me, for the actions of a few. and then others joined in on Twitter and other places. there was a hashtag that said "explain in 4 words a gamer" and it made me sick.09/17/2014 - 7:35pm
quiknkoldManchildren who are awful people and that the Identity of the Gamer should die. This hurt me personally. I've always identified as a Gamer. Even in my childhood years, I was a Gamer. All my friends are Gamers. Its one of the core parts of my identity.09/17/2014 - 7:34pm
quiknkoldUltimately, With the whole Gamergate thing, I jumped on it due to the harassment. A small number of assholes harrass Anita and Zoe, and then all the publications lumped together Gamers as this collective of Sexist White Bigoted Basement Dwelling09/17/2014 - 7:34pm
quiknkoldEZacharyKnight : Lemme ask you a question. We have people who cling to walls, people who fire lasers from their eyes, people who can shapeshift....and yet fabric needs to be upheld to RL physics?09/17/2014 - 6:54pm
james_fudgebody paint?09/17/2014 - 5:33pm
E. Zachary Knightquiknkold, I stand corrected on the buttcrack thing. Still, I know of no fabric that actually does that.09/17/2014 - 5:05pm
Andrew EisenSo... it's unethical to discuss the ethics surrounding public interest vs. personal privacy?09/17/2014 - 4:45pm
prh99The source for the game was just released not long ago, it's at https://github.com/keendreams/keen09/17/2014 - 4:43pm
prh99An Indiegogo champagin bought the rights to the early 90's game Keen Dreams to make it open source and release it on GOG etc. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/let-s-get-keen-dreams-re-released-legally09/17/2014 - 4:42pm
james_fudgeAlso http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/09/17/Exposed-the-secret-mailing-list-of-the-gaming-journalism-elite09/17/2014 - 4:29pm
Andrew EisenI read the Kotaku story. Nowhere does it say anything close to "Gamers are white bigoted sexist losers." It's commenting specifically on the crap being slung at people discussing gender issues in games. So, what's the problem?09/17/2014 - 4:06pm
Andrew EisenYeah, I can imagine Spiderwoman posed like in your second link.09/17/2014 - 4:00pm
Andrew EisenThat's not the same pose. Spiderman (who is wearing an actual outfit rather than body paint) is crouched low to the ground. Kinda like a spider! Spiderwoman has her butt up in the air like she's waiting to be mounted.09/17/2014 - 3:59pm
 

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