Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

January 5, 2010 -

As the worldwide gross box office take for Avatar surpasses one billion dollars, the film’s director took a pot shot at videogamers.

In response to his movie “winning” a “black lung” rating from SceneSmoking.org for depictions of cigarette smoking on-screen, James Cameron told the New York Times the impetus behind Sigourney Weaver’s character Grace lighting up:

… from a character perspective, we were showing that Grace doesn’t care about her human body, only her avatar body, which again is a negative comment about people in our real world living too much in their avatars, meaning online and in video games.

Cameron would no doubt then be intrigued by Microsoft’s recent patent application that seeks to tie the appearance of online avatars to a user’s real-world health and fitness.


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I didn't see Grace smoking as her not caring for her human body because she liked her avatar, I saw it as a way of portraying that she was an insensitive b**** (which she was near the beginning of the film) through the way she asks for it.

"Does anyone see what's wrong with this picture? Where's my cigarette?"

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Now that I have read what James Cameron has said about linking people to avatars to gamers, I don't know if I want to see the movie. I think I will wait till it comes out on DVD then get it for $2.99 for one day, since James has made it plainly clear that to me, my $ is not worth watching for $5-8. *Sigh*. I was looking forward to watching it on the big screen too. He is bad for even saying that b/c now that he has made over a billion dollars, now he can say whatever he wants to about his viewers. What a dipshit. Won't he make more if people buy his movie on dvd/blu-ray or renting it?

Anways, to some of you people in here that said you can't get lung cancer from cigarette smoke......you can. It's called second hand smoking. It is just as bad as actually smoking a cigarette & people that do smoke take 11 hours off of their life. My uncle has been smoking since he was 14. & went to the doctor for it. I also learned that in health class. I don't smoke. I have tried but coughed & it was grosse & especially kissing a guy that smokes is like kissing an ash tray. EWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!! & a woman died where I used to work out that had lung cancer & no one ever saw her outside smoking or smoking in her car or at work. So it happens w/out smoke too. Here in Dallas/Fort Worth & at the airport when someone comes up to ask where there is a smoking lounge? I tell them it's outside, the look on their face is priceless! LMAO! I've had one man ask me & I told him outside. He sighed & asked me if I smoke, I said no & he said figures. I didn't know what that meant, but ok. & when I tell people they have to go outside & have to go back through security. They let their head down & look sad. I ask them if it's worth it? Some of them have said f*** no or hell no or other answers that are about the same. I just laugh. :D

 

 

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When you see stories of kids in South Korea who die because they forget about all human functions whilst playing WOW, or that people care more about their avatars in Second Life of course he does have a point.

I can't believe it how a comment that is ever so minutely negative about games gets gamers in a rage calling for his death. He says that some people are addicted to games and people don't like and overreact big time, perhaps he has a point in saying that some people should get real lives.

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I just rant about Avatar at any excuse. The gaming angle has nothing to do with it.

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The movie was mostly good. It looked great, characters were good. However, the thing that bothered me was its naive look on war. It also seemed to diss the military a bit, though I'm not sure cameron meant to do either.

As for the smoking, Scenesmoking.org is complaining over a flaw in a character. It's idiotic to complain that a fictional character, good or evil, is flawed. One does not make a  "perfect" character for any fiction.

Finally, Cameron is talking crap. Anything else I have to say about that has already been said.

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What you don't realize, Gelly, is that while the movie may have shown it to an extreme, many, many individuals have that same kind of "Take what you want, when you want it" attitude towards people who are different than them. Hell, my own brother joined the Military because he, in his own words, "wanted to kill some hadji's." In the military, he's surrounded by people who think the exact same way. I, personally, think that the Humans on Pandora, while slightly exaggerated, were fairly accurate in their portrayal of many, many American's attitudes towards members of different races or creeds.

When Jake Sully made the comment about turning someone who has something you want into an enemy so you can feel justified in taking it, he hit the nail on the head. It definitely happened with the Native Americans, and an argument can be made to identify this behavior in the Iraq War, as well. That was just off the top of my head, and I'm sure I can find many, many more examples throughout history, if I were to look harder.

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And you yourself also hit the nail on the head. It was shown to an extreme and was exaggerated. Of course such people exist. But whether or not they represent all people in the military. Those such as brother and his friends don't represent all military personel. So you know those in the military who could be considered questionable in motive and ethics. I know those in the military who are the opposite and know their job isn't just to kill what is in their way. The Native American comparison is one thing, but the iraq one is something else. You also should notice something else you said: "I'm sure I can find many, many more example throughout history". That brings out two other issues: 1. We currently aren't the same people as a civilization as we were way back when. It would be unlikely that we would somehow become less civilized in 500 more years, or whenever it is the movie is set. 2. I'm sure you can find such examples, but I bet you can also find examples of us helping similar tribal people or having good relationships with them. Of course, peace doesn't make for a good movie. Oh, and the thing about the word "many" is that it isn't the same as "majority".

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"1. We currently aren't the same people as a civilization as we were way back when. It would be unlikely that we would somehow become less civilized in 500 more years, or whenever it is the movie is set. "

HAH! I'd make the argument that we could EASILY become less civilized in 500 years. There's still a LOT of hate, anger, bigotry, and violence in this country, as well as others. Just because we aren't going around killing Indians for no good reason doesn't mean that we are any more civilized than we were 200 years ago.

Also, as far as the Military Composition goes, I'd be really, REALLY surprised if a good 75-80% of the military don't think just like my brother. ESPECIALLY when it comes to the lower ranked troops. I've got a relatively large military family, and I know plenty of other friends who come from Military families. Of those people I've spoken to, maybe 2 or 3 out of 10 takes thier job seriously, with regards to why they joined, the jobs they do, and how they think of people from the countries we currently occupy. I like these people, and I respect thier choices, and I always take the time to thank them for thier service. If the rest of our military was like this, I'd love it, and I'm sure our country would look MUCH better in the eyes of the rest of the world.

Unfortunately, the other 7 or 8 out of 10 are either there because they didn't feel like going to school, because they want to shoot some people with a different skin color, because they think all muslims should die, or because they think guns are the coolest thing since sliced bread (These are all paraphrasing from actual reasons I've gotten from military people). These people are the problem. Unfortunately, they also happen to be the majority, from what I've seen. I think it sucks that our country is represented by so many of these ignorant bastards on a daily basis, and it bothers me even more that people say I should respect these racist, gun-toting psycopaths, just because they happen to be in the army.

If we had 10 good soldiers for every racist, ignorant, uneducated asshole, I'd think our military was awesome. Unfortunately, that isn't the case.

 

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"Just because we aren't going around killing Indians for no good reason doesn't mean that we are any more civilized than we were 200 years ago."

You just said it. We wouldn't go around killing natives for no good reason. That's my point about the movie. We wouldn't do that, especially on a new world with scientific discoveries to be found  and an intelligent species to boot. While perhaps  "civilized" is not the best choice of words, nor really the one I wanted in the first place, my point still stands. Keep note that this assuming that we improve when it comes to humanity like we have been for the last few hundred years and don't totally go Nazi or something.

As for the military composition, your own argument of what kind of people the military makes up is based upon your own experience, which is inadequate unless you have met most of the U.S. military personel. Do you actually have some sort of statistic? You have nothing to show that the majority of the military is as you say. Also remember that you yourself said that they make up the lower ranks.  Those very qualities are why they are lower ranked. They don't represent the military. They certainly don't represent the guys in the movie. Even if in the movie the military was evil, they were still professionals. Actually, that brings me to another way the movie dissed the military which i forgot about. Throughout the movie, mentioned more that they are ex-marines than that they are mercs. In fact, I think the fact that they were mercs was mentioned once. It basically implied that the marines are bad, not mercenaries. Oh, and yes there is a lot of bigotry in this country. However, "a lot" is just like "many", it isn't the same as "majority".

There is one thing I think we can agree on though. Our military is often unfairly represented by the worst, mostly because people like to look for what I call the 1/3 empty part of the cup and entirely ignore the 2/3 full.

I still stand by what I said: The movie had a naive look on war and the military (implied to be ours) was dissed. I mean, it would have been nice if they had just gone more on the fact that they are mercenaries rather than true soldiers of some nation.

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Another reason not to watch an overhyped movie that stole the name from a kids cartoon show.

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

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And the font of the name of the kid's cartoon show.

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I've see nthe logo and made the mistake of thinking the movie was based  nthe TV series. I am not theo nly one otm ake this mistake I'm sure.

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That probably has more to do with the fact that both logos say AVATAR rather than the actual design of the logo.

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I'd describe them both as pseduo-asian-ish, but there's not much similarity beyond that. About the only thing to do with the film NOT stolen from somewhere else in fact.

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And "Unobtanium" from The Core.

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er the film's script was wrote in 94.....


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Even if that's true (which I doubt), I can all but guarantee it wasn't named Avatar.  Also, it seems kind of fishy that The Last Airbender is coming out not too long after Avatar's launch.

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Meh over used trem is over used word,happens plenty of times.... also these days avatar is used more and more and sicne the film is about beign one and all......*rolls eyes*


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So Cameron says. Do you know who also claimed he had the scripts decades before he made the movies? George Lucas with his prequels. As far as I know no-one believes him, so why should we believe Mr Hasn't Made A Good Film Since True Lies?

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Bullshit.

The movie is called Avatar, it's all ABOUT how the main character's life inside his avatar is better than his real life, and (ENDING SPOILER but not really because every single moment in the movie is formulaic and predictable) it ends with him permanently transferring his consciousness into his avatar.

If the message of the movie is that people SHOULDN'T use their avatars as an alternative to their real lives, then he's pretty much failed on every level.

(DISCLAIMER: Avatar is one of the most dead gorgeous movies I've ever seen and represents a whole new way of filmmaking.  It just happens to be very, very poorly written.)

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You are a moron if you think his entire movie was some commentary on video games. The comment was SPECIFIC to the fact that Grace was a Smoker in the movie. That's it. It had no other meaning other than explaining his reasoning behind why he made Grace a smoker.

That being said, a movie can be relatively predictable and still be well written. Aside from "unobtainium," which I still laugh at, when I hear it, I think the movie was very well written. It was emotional, it was epic, it examined us, as the human race, in a different light than we are used to seeing ourselves, and it was absolutely beautiful.

Not every movie needs M. Night Shamalan-esque twists to be good. In fact, I'd prefer that producers use Shamalan's movies as perfect examples of what NOT to do.

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"You are a moron if you think his entire movie was some commentary on video games."

Huh.  Wonder why I said that, then.

"The comment was SPECIFIC to the fact that Grace was a Smoker in the movie. That's it. It had no other meaning other than explaining his reasoning behind why he made Grace a smoker."

He said the reason he made Grace a smoker was as commentary on how bad it is for people to live vicariously through avatars.  Given that the entire movie is about someone living vicariously through an avatar, as a positive, that would tend to undercut the metaphor.

That's not the same as saying the entire movie is commentary on video games, but nice ad hominem.

"That being said, a movie can be relatively predictable and still be well written."

It sure can!  This one wasn't.

"Aside from "unobtainium," which I still laugh at, when I hear it, I think the movie was very well written."

Unobtainium, Pandora, Navis...the movie didn't even try to be clever in naming things.  They're like placeholders that the writers forgot to replace.

"It was emotional"

As opposed to intellectual.  It was a 3D movie whose entire cast of characters was ironically two-dimensional.  The villains are just straight-up bad guys with no deeper motivations than greed and stupidity, and the heroes just spout action-movie cliches.  If you think "I didn't sign up for this shit!" is good writing, then yeah, I can see how this script might seem original, as you have clearly never seen a movie before.

"it examined us, as the human race, in a different light than we are used to seeing ourselves,"

Unless we've seen Dances With Wolves.  Or Fern Gully.  Or The Last Samurai.  Or read Speaker for the Dead.  Or, you know, any of dozens and dozens of other films and books that use this exact same premise.

"and it was absolutely beautiful."

Visually, yes.

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Vlag:....semier down there laddy I think you both have the same point..... if you jsut care to read a bit mroe into it... dun be a zippy and open mouth befor you finish thinking....


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Unobtainium? Seriously!?!? Did he have a writer form Futurama on the team?

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The word "Unobtanium" has been used by scientists and Science Fiction writers since the 1950's to describe the material that would solve all the problems that not havvng that material would bring us.  In other words, it's a MacGuffin.  Just like gold or oil was the impetus for colonization in the New World, Cameron is using a similar device here.  At least he didn't use something even worse like "Unattainium," "Wishalloy" or even "Handwavium!"

Sci-Fi is full of similar materials that are used to drive a story; Dune's Melange, Robotech's Protoculture and Star Trek's Dilithium all fill similar purposes.  So I don't see how Avatar's "Unobtanium" is any different.

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 It's because it's a dumb name that takes no effort or creativity that stands out in stark contrast to everything else in the movie.  The main difference between this and Dune, Robotech, Star Trek, and the others is that they put creativity into their magical elements, and because of it no one really complains about them (aside from the fact that they're completely fake, but at least they are not fake-sounding).

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Hey man, I didn't make up the name, and neither did Cameron.  You want to blame someone, blame the 1950's scientists who coined the stupid term.

Like I was saying, it was a MacGuffin.  So from a story standpoint it wasn't really all that important what it was supposed to do.  It was just a quick and easy way to explain why the Terrans were there.  The story's not about that.  It's about Jake and his coming to appreciate the alien world and culture he finds himself part of.  If it were all about the mineral, there'd be a shift in story focus.

Melange was explained because it was integral to Dune's story.  Unobtanium not so much.  And Protoculture was never really properly explained in the Robotech show itself, other than it was a super-powerful energy source and that the Invid used it for sustenenance and it gave them visions.  And Dilithium, well that was just a fancy word the Gene Roddenberry came up with to explain what the Enterprise ran on and nothing more.

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 Yeah....that part of the movie was really....lacking.  Aside from that, and the fact that the movie was pretty predictable in some aspects, it was easily one of my favorite movies for '09.

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Agreed, 100%. The word "Unobtainium" is about the only thing wrong with the movie. Other than that, Avatar was probably my Favorite Movie of 2009.

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Just when I think what I hear about Avatar couldn;t make it sound any more unoriginal, I find out he's stole the "Unobtanium" material from The Core.

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Least it wasn't Upsidasium.

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Chill out, people.

He didn't say that all gamers suck.  He didn't outright insult us all.  His words were:

"...which again is a negative comment about people in our real world living too much in their avatars, meaning online and in video games."

he doesn't say gamers in particular, he doesn't say all gamers.  He uses the term people.  This is a numberless word.  This means it could be 1, 10, or a million.  This is only saying that there is an occurrence in the real world where some gamers invest more into their online personas than they do into their own lives.

If you're angry about him pointing out the obvious, then you need to get out of your predisposed biases.  We're gamers, which means we need to take the good with a bad.  We're not a bunch of people who all get along and have no problems whatsoever and all our actions and people are nothing but sunshine, rainbows, and happiness.  We must realize that among all who are called "gamers," there are some bad apples.  

Cameron is simply saying that the bad apples exist, and he drew upon them for inspiration with characters in his movie.

Get over it.  It's not the end of the world.  He's not insulting us all.  In fact, he's not insulting us at all (unless pointing out facts is viewed as insulting here...but I didn't think this was the 17th Century Catholic Church).

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I have to agree.  I don't think Cameron was particularly singling out gamers either.  And he does have a bit of a point.  The truth of the matter is, as much as we don't like to admit it, there are people like that.  So we really shouldn't be too upset when he makes a fairly accurate statement.  I mean, it's not like it's come from Jack Thompson or anything.

Still, it's hard not think of him as a jerk and take offense to what he said when you take a look at how he treated this guy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dwUl9u5QW4&feature=player_embedded

Granted, the guy was being an ass to him and the way it was edited makes me think there was more going on than what we saw and that he was antagonizing Cameron further, but it doesn't make him look good either.

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Whats really sad is smokeing is the new queer....


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Good. I'd rather hang around homosexuals than smokers any day.

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I've just remembered why I smoke. Apparently Nicotine is a good defence against Homophobia. :P

Seriously though, if people are concerned about their lungs, complain at the Plastics, Motor Vehicle and Energy production industries, they do far more damage than we do. Yes, I know it's bad for me, I wish they'd been banned before I was born, but then, pretty much everything we do is bad for us, it's kind of sad that society always needs someone to tread on, be it gays, smokers, gamers or any other group selected by a single factor of their lives.

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pretty much smoking is targed but frankly it dose not do more harm than the general crap we put into the air, smokers are no worse than gays and yet smokers are being baned from public places....don't forget gays had half the emdical indutry agisnt them at one point and time.... I just love it how soemthing legal and almsot natrual can be treaded aginst so easily...oh thats right the US is filled with morons........


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Smoking is absolutely NOT natural.. What the hell are you thinking? It's been proven to cause lung issues, including cancer and emphyzema, not to mention the fact that it weakens your lungs to a point where you can't handle climbing stairs, let alone playing sports or exercising.

On top of that, Smoking causes you and your surroundings to smell bad, stains your teeth a nice, healthy, brown, and ages you horrifically.

Adding to THAT, when you smoke around others, you are causing lung damage in those you smoke around, as well. It's a disgusting habit, and while I don't support making it illegal, I have absolutely no problem banning smoking in places where people gather, to avoid the damage that second hand smoke causes.

Now, compare what I just said to gays. There are absolutely no downsides to being gay. No health risks that don't already exist among straight people (STD's, AIDS, etc..), and being around a gay person is not harmful to your health.

If you ask me, being a Smoker is absolutely worse than being gay.

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Do you drive a car Val?

Where is the electricity that powers your PC generated Val?

On that point, where did all the electronics and plastics in your pc get produced Val?

And where did the electricity that powers those facilities get generated?

I bet most of the employees at those facilities drive cars too. And own PCs and other such consumer goods made from plastics and other NOT NATURAL materials.

On the subject of NOT NATURAL things, do you go around naked, eat your meat raw and sleep in a tree?

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"On the subject of NOT NATURAL things, do you go around naked, eat your meat raw and sleep in a tree?"

On occasion, yes...  (I kid, I kid)

Here's the thing, though. Pollution/Emissions are one thing. However, there's a significant difference between inhaling the emissions from cars, in the low concentrations found in the atmosphere, and intentionally inhaling carcinogenic smoke in a much, MUCH higher concentration on a daily basis.

There is no comparison that can be made between car pollution and smoking, unless we take one of those junkers that belch disgusting smelling smoke that everyone avoids driving behind.

Regardless, my point still stands, regarding the comparison between Gays and Smokers. Smoking is FAR, FAR less natural than being Gay, not to mention it's FAR, FAR more harmful to your health than being Gay.

 

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I think the people of Los Angeles may beg to differ with the suggestion that car emissions in the atmosphere are of a low concentration round their way.

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It's still a moot point, despite the fact that you misunderstood my use of "Low Concentration."

Even at it's absolute worst, pollution, even in LA, might make up 3-5% of what individuals inhale. Even moreso, that pollution has not necessarily been proven to cause cancer, like cigarrettes. A Smoker, on the other hand, inhales that Cancer causing crap at a 90% or higher concentration every time they take a drag on a cigarrette.

Of course, Smoking and Pollution aren't mutually exclusive, either. Smokers breathe the same polluted air that all people do, which just exacerbates the problems that already exist from smoking.

You aren't going to win this argument, DS. Smoking is ABSOLUTELY worse for you than living in a polluted atmosphere, like in LA. Of course, going back, you still haven't argued against my main point, which was the fact that smoking is definitely worse for you than being Gay, or being around Gays.

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Vlag

Man has been smoking and taking herbs longer than hes been...well.... screwing man... your opioins are about as valid as the anal minded morons of the 50s....

Frankly booze,herbs and smoking even being around it is not as much of a problem as using too much of it, of course you would rather decry hippocracy than let people have their rights... .

 

The only reason smoking is being harped so on much is due to trend bashing(the kind kind of mornic repression that kept gays down for years) and nothign else.


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Considering that Man has been Screwing Man since the beginning of time, lets go ahead and declare that one a tie.

As far as Smoking goes, I was referring specifically to cigarettes. They have absolutely no positive effect on anyone. They are proven to be physically addictive, and to cause health issues.

That being said, I made it pretty clear that if people want to get addicted and kill themselves with cigarrettes, I've got no problem with it. It's your right to do it. As far as smoking in public places, where your smoke actually harms other people, who may not want to be harmed by it, it's absolutely NOT your right to do it. Your rights end when you inadvertantly begin to cause harm to those around you when you do it.

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Same for booze(well most of it) and other hobbies so meh, trend bashing is trendy so enjoy it till the next trend coems in.


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When you drink booze around others, you are not inadvertantly harming those around you. It's your body and YOUR liver you are harming. Now, if you get drunk and start attacking people, it's NOT the boozes fault. It's YOUR fault. Either way, it's pretty much accepted that you shouldn't be getting drunk in public, for the most part, anyways.

It is interesting, however, that it's understood that getting drunk in public is bad, despite the fact that the only person that the actual liquor harms is your own body, yet, smoking in public is still being debated, despite the fact that Second Hand Smoke is proven to be harmful to those around you.

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You were previously making the argument that pollutants in low percentages were not harmful (in regards to the pollution in large cities). Yet you then argue that 2nd hand smoke is harmful, when it becomes trace in the air in only a few seconds from leaving the cigarette.  Your arguments don't match together.

Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

Second hand smoke inside bars and other buildings where smoking is still permitted is hardly "Trace." Tell that to my girlfriend who can smell the smoke from the Bowling Alley days after I bowled. It hangs in the air like a thick haze, some days.

So, my arguments are still perfectly logical. It's your misconception that Second Hand Smoke becomes negligible seconds after leaving the cigarette that is wrong.

Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

No offence, but your girlfriend's nasal accuity is nothing to do with the relative danger of passive smoking, whilst, for example, sweaty people may not smell that pleasant, it doesn't therefore follow that they are a health risk to those who smell them. If we are to judge entire swathes of people based purely on how they or their surroundings 'smell' compared to what we are used to, then we are going backwards, not forwards as a society.

The thing is, it has never been proved that Passive smoking is harmful. Yes, the Health departments of several countries claim that this is so, but I really don't think I need to point out an example of exactly the same tactic being used to victimise other groups, in fact, it is that kind of act that created communities such as this, directed towards a group identified for another common denominator.

You may not like smoking, that's fine, I don't much like it, and I do it, maybe, one day, I'll quit, but as long as people bundle me up into a little group, I am actually more inclined to stay smoking when people stereotype me in much the same way as I deliberately bought GTA 4 just to annoy Jack Thompson.

 
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MaskedPixelanteI don't like the new 3DS, mostly because it means there's a good chance future 3DS games won't be compatible with the current models.08/29/2014 - 9:30am
ConsterI don't get why Amazon decided to buy this "Twitch" fellow, really. It took him ages to beat Pokemon.08/29/2014 - 8:31am
ZippyDSMleeIt goes without saying that we need to et rid of the bullies on both sides that are far worse than Sarkeesian or Quin will ever be.08/29/2014 - 8:24am
ZippyDSMleeI'm talking more about the genreal movement and how silly it is, as for Sarkeesian half of what she is says rings hollw while the other half tend to be over exsagerated.08/29/2014 - 8:22am
Avalongod@Papa, agreed. I think people are reluctant to get involved if they're not the target. But I think we need to take responsibility as a community to confront harassing behavior, whether on gender or race.08/29/2014 - 7:23am
E. Zachary KnightSo Nintendo has given gamers what they want and have fractured the 3DS user base at the same time. http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/224476/Nintendo_reveals_the_New_Nintendo_3DS.php08/29/2014 - 7:12am
Papa MidnightI could say the same about race. I certainly enjoyed being on the receiving end of this while playing StarCraft II this past week: http://i.imgur.com/mIZA1QB.png (and this is actually mild compared to what I usually see). Report players? What a joke...08/29/2014 - 12:29am
AvalongodWhether you approve of Sarkeesian's view or not, no woman deserves to be the target of that kind of harassment and it won't stop until men tell each other it's not appropriate under any circumstance.08/28/2014 - 8:44pm
AvalongodI'm guessing the twitter account was a troll, but come on, I'm sorry, it's just disgusting someone is saying those things to Sarkeesian whether serious or a joke.08/28/2014 - 8:43pm
ZippyDSMleesocial movement that is bringing most of these issue to the spot light to be nothing but trend mongering white knighting bullies who are not much better than the hateful moronic bullies on the other side.08/28/2014 - 5:20pm
ZippyDSMleereflects the world we live in while the rest is the worst stuff that should be focused on. Leaving whats reflected in the same boat as everything else that's exaggerated and skewed by media/fiction and happliy consumed by current society. I find the socia08/28/2014 - 5:20pm
ZippyDSMleemales live off the power fantasy but once you realize as a male you will never reach what fiction or media calls perfect it demoralizes you just the same. And I would not call female negative stereotypes rampant and out of control not when 70-80% of it re08/28/2014 - 5:19pm
ZippyDSMleeNot saying that there is not a difference in the treatment of males and females in media, but males are begin painted as near perfect superhumans with cliched flaws it dose as much damage to the psyche as how females are treated. Sure you could claim that08/28/2014 - 5:19pm
ZippyDSMleeNeeneko:As I said if you do not 100% belive it then you are a Neanderthal. Theres more gray to everything than black and white.08/28/2014 - 1:27pm
NeenekoMeh, the "PCism" is just trotted out when people do not know their place and dare to complain about things the speakers think are fine. How dare people complain about how they are treated/portrayed, it is not like it bother us, our feelings matter!08/28/2014 - 1:13pm
ZippyDSMleeNeeneko I do not think its against feminism but rather against PCisim’s and that most things are offensive since if you do not believe that you are a Neanderthal that beats women,ect..08/28/2014 - 12:48pm
Neenekocomplete with the standard 'she is a lying and attacking the game industry! threats are wrong but she did it to herself' comments.08/28/2014 - 11:28am
Neenekosad, but not surprising. the backlash against feminism has been growing the last few years.08/28/2014 - 11:25am
PHX Corphttp://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/27/feminist-video-game-critic-forced-to-leave-her-home-after-online-rape-and-death-threats/ Feminist video game critic forced to leave her home after online rape and death threats08/28/2014 - 9:43am
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