Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

January 5, 2010 -

As the worldwide gross box office take for Avatar surpasses one billion dollars, the film’s director took a pot shot at videogamers.

In response to his movie “winning” a “black lung” rating from SceneSmoking.org for depictions of cigarette smoking on-screen, James Cameron told the New York Times the impetus behind Sigourney Weaver’s character Grace lighting up:

… from a character perspective, we were showing that Grace doesn’t care about her human body, only her avatar body, which again is a negative comment about people in our real world living too much in their avatars, meaning online and in video games.

Cameron would no doubt then be intrigued by Microsoft’s recent patent application that seeks to tie the appearance of online avatars to a user’s real-world health and fitness.


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Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

Lets try looking at some logic, shall we?

It's absolutely been proven that Smoking is bad for your health. It causes cancer and lowers your lung function.

You perform the action of Smoking by inhaling the Smoke from a lit cigarette into your lungs.

"Passive Smoking" is the act of inhaling the Smoke from a lit cigarette, as well. The only difference is that you aren't physically sucking on the cigarette.

Therefore, one would come to the logical conclusion that Passive Smoking can result in the same health issues that Active Smoking can. Sure, you may be inhaling a smaller concentration with every breath, but it still causes issues. I'm sure that If I felt like it, I could link you any number of studys that support the idea that second hand smoke causes health issues.

Therefore, I have aboslutely no problem with laws that prevent people from smoking indoors, where cigarette smoke can gather and people will be subject to Second Hand Smoke. Outside, I have no issue with, because Second Hand smoke can't gather in nearly as high a concentration as I could inside a building.

As far as not smelling good, that's only one of MANY reasons why I don't like being around Smokers, and it happens to be at the bottom of the list. Suffice it to say, I prefer not to be subject to any death clouds when I can manage it.

Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

So games make people violent because it's obvious? After all the logic applies in all directions.

3 of the 4 major studies done since the original one (which was found to have cherry-picked data in court) have found none to weak evidence for cancer being caused by ETS, fine, I'm not saying that smoking is good for the smoker, but this whole 'death cloud' bullshit is exactly the kind of thing that needs to stop, it's identical to 'murder-simulator'.

Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

What are you, a fucking Moron?

Your games logic has no place in this conversation. The logic you use is not paralell to the logic I used in the smoking.

Lets try this again, shall we?

1. Smoking Causes Cancer. This has been proven multiple times by multiple agencies. You CANNOT debate that fact.

2. The act of smoking involves inhaling the smoke from a lit cigarette. You also cannot debate that fact.

3. Second Hand Smoke is Smoke given off by a lit cigarette. Also a fact, and also non-debatable.

You with me so far, genius? Tell me if I need to slow down, so your keen intellect can catch up.

4. People in environments filled with Cigarette Smoke, like Bars and Bowling Alleys, are subject to inhaling that smoke, as part of the environment they happen to be in. This is, apparently, called ETS.

5. Here's where the logic happens. Since these people are inhaling the SAME smoke that smokers do, it is a logical conclusion that they are at risk for the SAME health effects that smokers are. Perhaps at less significant levels or frequencies, but the risk is still the same. (Some argue it is even more dangerous, because it doesn't pass through a filter, like it does for smokers)

So, did you follow this time? Your Video Games == Violent analogy isn't paralell in the least. As far as your 3 out of 4 studies support no harm done by Second Hand smoke, you can shove it. I've seen the damage second hand smoke can cause to people. Like I said in a previous comment, I've got a buddy who's mom came down with lung cancer after working in a smoke filled bar for 40 years. She was a non-smoker her entire life, and her lungs were similar to someone who smoked a pack a day. So, yeah, even IF those studies exist, they are even less valid than the study you claim to have "Cherry Picked" data.

Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

You lost the moment you switched to insults.

And, once again, check your research, because you really aren't paying attention.

But since you would rather hurl insults than actually discuss tha facts, this conversation is over, it's a pity, because I actually thought you were better than that, it's a pity you let yourself down, because whilst trying to deny the similarities, you've managed to come off sounding exactly like Jack Thompson, from the opening line onwards...

 

Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

They also don't bear much weight when you consider all passive smoking research is in regards to smoke-filled rooms and NOT outdoors.

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Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

I'm referring to indoor public smoking, with regards to my second hand comments.

I know that outdoors, second hand is negligible, and have absolutely no problem with people smoking outdoors. If they want to do that, that's fine, as long as they aren't blowing it in my face or something.

Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

Depends if you mean "indoor public" or "outdoor public". At least here in the UK there is a legal distinction because smoking in any indoor public location (including pubs, bars restaurants etc) is illegal.

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Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

ANd how the fuck would you know ANYTHING about trends and/or what's trendy. Have you even left the house in the last decade?

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Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

DS

You  are one to talk ya know......as much as you hate trends and what not........ *rolls eyes*


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Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

Can't hate them unless I know what they are now can I.

The lights are on but Mr. Brain has long since departed from you hasn't he zip.

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Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

Stop trying to troll the trolls zip it makes you look thicker than usual.

Hey look over there, someone getting arrested for stealing stuff, go and rant about how it's his right to steal things if he wants to! Moron.

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Stealing is a crime downloading is not moron..... :P


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Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

So taking an album from a shop is stealing, downloading a copy of that album is not stelaing. Remind me, which member of your family has the family brain cell this month? Because it sure isn't you.

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Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

I never said it was better (that's you trying (and failing as usual) to put words in someone elses mouth). However you were going on about PASSIVE smoking. When you put cigarette smoke in the atmosphere and car exhaust concentrations in the atmosphere, I'd very surprised if car smoke was in the minority.

I'm also not commenting on the whole smoking/gay comparison, becuase frankly it is a totally fucking stupid comparison to be making in the first place. (And therefore no suprise at all to see that Zippy was the one to make it. What would he know, he probably thinks cigarettes are a type of pumice stone.)

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"I'm also not commenting on the whole smoking/gay comparison, becuase frankly it is a totally fucking stupid comparison to be making in the first place."

Agreed, here, but it was made, and I had to step in and make it clear that Smoking is far worse for you.

"When you put cigarette smoke in the atmosphere and car exhaust concentrations in the atmosphere, I'd very surprised if car smoke was in the minority."

I think it depends on where you are. Inside a building where people smoke, the higher concentration will easily be Cigarette smoke, unless this building has amazing ventilation. This idea is exactly why smoking is banned in many public buildings, but they are allowed to smoke outside.

If you spend a lot of time around smokers and smoking people, in smoky atmospheres, like bars or bowling alleys, you are going to suffer many of the same effects that the smokers themselves suffer. It's just the way it is.

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"If you spend a lot of time around smokers and smoking people, in smoky atmospheres, like bars or bowling alleys, you are going to suffer many of the same effects that the smokers themselves suffer. It's just the way it is."

Actually, there's very little actual evidence that second hand smoke is nearly as bad as first hand smoke.  The majority of studies that anti-smoking organisations cite as proof of this have been proven to be based on weak science and in some cases, just outright designed to reach a pre-determined conclusion.  I don't smoke and don't care for it at all, nor do I disapprove of it being banned in certain PUBLIC (not private) environments.  I do however, hang around with friends who almost all smoke and I have most of my life without suffering any ill effects whatsoever.  The simple fact is that second hang smoke and the dangers of it are largely unproven and are largely just a boogeyman created by organisations attempt to legislate personal behaviour.

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Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

You can't honestly tell me that inhaling the same crap that smokers do on a daily basis won't cause you to suffer the same effects that smokers do. Maybe it will take longer, maybe the effects won't be as strong, but you will.

If you disagree, tell that to my Buddy, who's mom, a NON-Smoker working as a Bartender, came down with Lung Cancer about 7 or 8 years back. Her lungs, when they examined them, were very similar to a smoker's lungs, in regards to lung capacity and the physical effects they suffered.

Clearly, she MUST have gotten these effects somewhere else, not in the smoky bar where she worked..

Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

The dose makes the poison.  Someone who drinks a glass of wine at dinner is not going to "suffer the same effects" as someone who drinks a fifth of vodka every day.

Correlation does not prove causation.  That goes double in the case of a lone personal anecdote, unless you think "I went to the faith healer and my cancer eventually went into remission, so don't tell me about studies showing that laying on hands and speaking in tongues doesn't cure cancer" is a sound argument.

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Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

You are right about the dose comment. If I inhale smoke once a week, rather than on a daily basis, my risk for cancer is less. If I smoke a pack a day, my risk is more. The problem is that any exposure is still exposure. Sure, if I am exposed once, my chances of cancer or illness are infinitesmally small. However, for each and every exposure I suffer, my chance of illness goes up. Therefore, I'd prefer to keep my chance of illness/cancer as low as possible. I don't mind exposure every so often, but I'm rather glad I don't have to deal with smokers on a daily basis.

Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

Hell yes I know smokings bad for people, it's pretty much the only reason I smoke anyway.

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Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

Agreed..

Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

Call off the dogs, guys.. He might be stereotyping, but he's got a bit of a point. The idea behind Grace's Character Development is actually quite interesting. Unfortunately, there is also a bit of a paralell between her and a number of gamers, as well, including myself.

Not ALL gamers are the stereotyped unhealthy, fat individuals he refers to, but like I've said before, Stereotypes exist because there is at least some kernel of truth in a part of the community being stereotyped. That includes gamers. I know that there are plenty of days where I sit down to play Dragon Age or whatever I happen to be playing at the time, and in the back of my head, I have a little voice saying "Go take a walk! Work out! Lose some weight!!" but I just ignore it, and continue playing.

I'm not saying that I am so "addicted" to games that I am willingly harming myself, physically, but as far as making good choices, like the choice between eating something healthy over eating a greasy hamburger, I choose gaming over the healthier exercise alternative more often than I should. Cameron's idea about Grace's body and how she cares more about her Avatar than her own body paralells my own subconcious behavior regarding my own body, so I can see where he would get the idea.

 

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Honestly, if Cameron hadn't come out and said this, I would had taken from it that she knew she was in a new body that woudln't get the nic fits when she tried to quit smoking, so it made it much easier for her to get a fresh start without a cig addiction.

Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

I think the better way to explain it would be that while she spends all day in her avatar body, her physical body still goes through all of the normal needs. It still needs to breathe and such, so it's logical to believe that as soon as her mind gets back into her normal body, it feels as if she's gone however many hours without a cigarette, and is experiencing withdrawl symptoms.

Either way, from a character development standpoint, it's an interesting take.

Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

It is an interesting take, however it's one that i completely missed while watching the movie. you see her smoking, but i never once picked up on the "she doesn't care about her real body" motive.

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I agree, I didn't pick up on that motive, either, until he voiced it here. Then again, there are so many subtle narratives and character development ideas that directors have that 90% of Movie-goers, myself included, miss.

Either way, I enjoyed the movie, and, due to a few scheduling errors with friends, ended up seeing it in theaters 3 times over my Christmas Vacation from work. Every time I went, I discovered something I missed previously, and was always impressed with the movie as a whole. It's definitely a DVD purchase for me, when it comes out.

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"Then again, there are so many subtle narratives and character development ideas that directors have that 90% of Movie-goers, myself included, miss."

Then again (again?), 99% of the time those "subtle narratives and character development ideas" were never actually there to begin with and it's movie goers who have seen things that were never put there to see. But a director sure isn't going to turn around and say "lol no my film was never meant to be subtle"

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"it's movie goers who have seen things that were never put there to see"

OK, on the count of three: 1...2...3!

UNINTENTIONAL PARALLELS AND VIEWER INTERPRETATION OF PORTRAYED EVENTS

That's not too hard to understand, now is it? Other than that, I pretty much agree.

Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

He is just butthurt with gamers because nobody will play his shitty game. I watched the movie, but now I won´t buy the DVD/BlueRay.

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I'm pretty sure Cameron doesn't give a shit about the game. he licensed it to a developer, and makes no more or less money if the game succeeds or fails.

Further, it looks like it's already sold in excess of 670,000 copies. "because nobody will play his shitty game" doesn't seem to apply here.

Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

"I hate you, so watch my movie! It's about how much I think you suck." Sadly, a growing concept in Hollywood. That's why I stick to games. Oh, and Cameron: Feeling's mutual!

Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

Heh, great, now I want to see it less. Desont' help when you insult your audience.

Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

If he had said "some" gamers not caring for themselves over their avatars then fair point - I do think some people do that and spend far too much time on their gaming avatars to the detriment of their own health, grinding in Icecrown is obviously easier than jogging. Personally, I've always believed a healthy body equals a healthy mind (Not that I perfectly practice it ;).

So I think he has a point but he was clearly not tactical about it. As well, we already got a vague "People play too many online games and ignore reality" allegory in Surrogates anyway.

Also, what happens when my dwarf sits around smoking pipeweed in Lord of the Rings Online?

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"As well, we already got a vague "People play too many online games and ignore reality" allegory in Surrogates anyway."

Chalk that up as another film he's stolen an idea, plot device or theme from. All while covering his ass by saying he wrote the script 15 years ago. *coughtotalbullshitcough*

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Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

Still doesn't work. Try 20 years ago. My friends described it as Matrix-like, but also threw in Dances with Wolves references.

Re: Cameron Blows Smoke at Gamers

Eh. I wasn't going to watch it anyway.

 
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