After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

January 26, 2010 -

The heartbreaking story of a nine-year old Texas boy committing suicide at school led a Clinical Psychologist to attempt to pin part of the blame for kids acting out in ways outside of the norm on violent videogames.

The fourth-grader in question was a student at Stewart Creek Elementary School. He asked a nurse to use the restroom, locked himself inside and tragically hung himself. In a CNN video report on the story, Clinical Psychologist Dr. Brenda Wade was brought in for commentary.

The doctor cited two factors for why children are acting out in ways “never imagined possible”. The first was that there is now “more instability” in families, because of external stresses and the economy.

The second factor? Violent videogames of course.

Dr. Wade stated:

The other factor is that younger and younger children are exposed to very violent videogames with content that I would shudder to have an adult watch on a regular basis.

We just covered, a couple days ago, the story that children are watching as much as 52 hours a week of TV and sitting in front of a screen. A lot of that content is not uplifting and it’s not teaching our children how to handle problems and feelings.


These statements came moments after the Doctor cautioned that we “don’t want to blame and cast dispersions” at what role the boy’s family may have played in the tragedy.

Dr. Wade bills herself as a nationally syndicated talk show host and best selling author (as seen on Oprah). Visitors to her website are also offered a free love lesson.


Thanks Sean!


Comments

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

This lady is soooooooooooooooooo off her rocker on this story it's pathetic! They little boy committed suicide b/c he was being bullied at school b/c the kids wouldn't leave him alone. & he had nowhere else to turn. So he hung himself. I feel sorry for his family, but video games had nothing to do w/this little boys death. I live in Texas & since I heard the story on my local news, my local news even said he was being bullied at school, which lead him to his death.

 

 

"It's better to be hated for who you are, then be loved for who you are not." - Montgomery Gentry

"It's better to be hated for who you are, then be loved for who you are not." - Montgomery Gentry

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

If this is true, why is youth crime on a plateau and why is the youth suicide rate on a 50 year plateau in Canada? Sure, youth suicide is rising in the United States but we are exposed to about as much violence as they are.

There is much more at work here.

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

TBQH, this kind of story needs a response no more complicated than this: "Where the hell were the parents at? What went on at home?"

EDIT: I'd also like to see at least 3 commercially-published games that have suicide as a key gameplay element. I can only vaguely recall one JRPG whose name I cannot bring to mind.

Representin' starmen.net

Representin' starmen.net

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

So why should the parents be immune to any scrutiny?  They are supposed to be the ones who have the greatest impact on their progeny.  And either they are having that impact and that impact sucks, or they aren't having an impact and they failed.  When did parenting become taboo?

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Crap, tripple post. How did that happen?

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Crap, tripple post. How did that happen?

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

You kids go ahead with your Amazon vandalism. I'll just stick with sending an indignant email or two.

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

We need the turbo-facepalm pic...

http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs28/f/2008/100/e/3/FACEPALM_by_mayuzane.jpg

But seriously, why does a NINE YEAR OLD get the idea to hang himself? That definitely isn't a theme brought up in video games (most murders are done by guns or weapons, not hanging). He must have really had something messed up in his life to have brought on such a horrible thing.

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Kind of off-topic, but...  Did she actually say "cast dispersions" instead of "cast aspersions"?

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Hmph!  Another dingbat!

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978016471&grpId=3659174697244816&nav=Groupspace

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000

Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

Nightwng2000 NW2K Software http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Wow.... That idiot quoted the PTC.... Wow... Just... Wow....

 

You know, if this was an every day occurance that was happening by the thousands then MAYBE there might be something to it but I can fucking assure anyone that this sort of thing has happened an thousand times in the past, before TV and videogames were common place. But of course there wasn't a 24/7 national media desperate for content and willing to put any idiot with a online degree in front of a camera to be an "expert".

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

"Many experts attribute such surprising behavior in young children to the obvious: excessive violence on television and in video games. I agree with them wholeheartedly. And as much of a "no brainer" as it may seem..."

 

Hmm, "no brainer" and she agrees. I think you can make up your own punchline to that one... Personally I feel a Picard Facepalm coming on...

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Name me one game that you hang yourself? I hardly see hanging in general let alone yourself.

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

`Technically, hang man.

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

No you hang someone else in that game. Nice try though.

----------------------------------------------------

Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

What game teaches you to solve problems by killing yourself?

This theory is so mind-bendingly stupid.

Listen just admit you're not entirely sure what caused it and that worries you. This scapegoat won't benefit anyone.

----------------------------------------------------

Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

The ones that include the "Suicide" cheat codes in case you get stuck and can't move.  :P

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000

Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

Nightwng2000 NW2K Software http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

So grand theft auto? Gee if GTA was so dangerous you'd think it'd be the parents responsibility to keep it away from their kids.

"I always kept my copy of GTA on the top shelf in the closet, how was I supposed to know he could still get at it. I thought I had the sfety latch to keep to keep the box closed but I didn't."

Why yes I am comparing GTA to a handgun and since people think it's just as dangerous...

----------------------------------------------------

Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

---------------------------------------------------- Debates are like merry go rounds. Two people take their positions then they go through the same points over and over and over again. Then when it's over they have the same positions they started in.

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

The only ones are the 5 minutes ot kill yourself gameso n Adult Swim games, and those aren't evne commercial products.

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

She's a quack.

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

"These statements came moments after the Doctor cautioned that we “don’t want to blame and cast dispersions” at what role the boy’s family may have played in the tragedy."

...Just quoting for emphasis...

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

its also "cast aspersions", not dispersions. If she can't get that right I have to doubt the veracity of her claims.

Also what kind of fucked up life must a NINE YEAR OLD have to commit suicide? I say look fucking hard at the school and even harder at the family and you're very likely going to find some causal factor that isn't super mario wrist-slitter adventures

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

What about depression? Suicides just don't happen because of media consumption. Hanging is generally not a quick way to go. And this sounds like it was planned.

I suffered from horrible depression in grade school. I had the twin prongs of social issues along with academic pressures and a learning disability, but my problems were recognized and I got help. It saddens me to think this kid might not have gotten the help he needed.

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

This. Aren't violent video games "supposed" to cause aggression? Where is she getting her sources? What content in these games (that he supposedly played) caused depression to this level?

She was reaching, and I mean REACHING. WOW.

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Again? AGAIN?

What is this, I don't even... *EPIC FACEPALM*

-----------------------------



"A Chrono Trigger is anything that unleashes its will or desire to change history!" -Gaspar
-----------------------------



"A Chrono Trigger is anything that unleashes its will or desire to change history!" -Gaspar

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Now obviously I'm no doctor myself but that doctor seemed pretty quick to blame videogames (personal bias?) but I wonder why "bullying" was never factored in. That kid could have been picked on so badly by his peers that he completely lost all self esteem to the point where he felt worthless and figured living was pointless. Couple that with a poor home/family life and surely the extreme amount of depression got the better of him.

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

This.  The educational system is a hellish experience for a lot of students, and people generally don't give a damn.  Blaming tragedies like this on video games (or heavy metal, or Dungeons and Dragons, or whatever) provides an easy explanation that spares people from the burden of thinking about how badly many children are treated, and how despicabbly callous most of society is about it.

Check out my video game humor and commentary blog, Pointless Side Quest!

Check out my video game humor and commentary blog, Pointless Side Quest! http://pointlesssidequest.blogspot.com/

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

You're missing the real point.  It spares asking the question 'how did no one see this coming?'.  That's why video games are always scapegoats for parental and administrative inadequacy (Columbine, VTech).  It's so much easier to blame something that can't fight back then to ask 'how the fuck were your children making pipe bombs in your basement and you didn't notice?'

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

And the school admins were likely no help either

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Quacks like this give honest psychologists a bad reputation and a bad name. Dr. Wade should just relinquish her license and just leave the practice. Her baseless and rethorical coments should be condemed by the medical community.

On a lighter note I got a bit creeped out when GP just posted this line even though there is a link on it.

"Visitors to her website are also offered a free love lesson"

Nuff said. (yes I have a dirty mind)

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Jeez.  I would think Oprah would know some competent psychologists; why does she keep promoting snake oil salesmen?

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

I could talk about how reactionary, baseless, and stupid her claim is, but I think we all know that already so I'll just leave it at this, people are hanged, things are hung.

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Some people are hung.

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Well played.

Representin' starmen.net

Representin' starmen.net

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Fine Miss Clinical Psychologist.  Explain what violent video games caused these suicides recently:

http://www.ndtv.com/news/cities/3_more_student_suicides_in_maharashtra_toll_9_now.php

And a more recent update of the horrid running tally:

http://www.ptinews.com/news/460931_Another-student-commits-suicide-in-Mumbai

I found these while looking for other articles and news organizations covering the suicide of the 9 year old mentioned in the main article here. 

C'mon Miss Clinical Psychologist, show us just how much an expert you REALLY are.

I really wish I could post a comment directly to that CNN story.

Nightwng2000

NW2K Software

http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000

Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

Nightwng2000 NW2K Software http://www.facebook.com/nightwing2000 Nightwng2000 is now admin to the group "Parents For Education, Not Legislation" on MySpace as http://groups.myspace.com/pfenl

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

What do violent video games have to do with suicide?

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Well, there was a flash game where you had 5 minutes to kill yourself in order to avoid going to an endlessly boring meeting.  There was also some RPG where your characters unlocked spirits (or something) by shooting themselves in the head with special guns.

I'd bet that the kid didn't play either game, though.

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Persona 3...great game too.

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Higher TV ratings...

My DeviantArt Page (aka DeviantCensorship): http://www.darkknightstrikes.deviantart.com

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

People complaining about "faux" news in 3, 2, 1...

 

Oh wait, this was CNN.

 

This must be true then. 

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

All news outlets have bullshit, even CNN.  But that doesn't change the fact that Fox News is much much worse.  You are trying to compare the molehill of bullshit of CNN to the mountain of T-Rex shit of Fox news.

Does everyone remember when Fox News put out newspaper ads saying that the other news outlets didn't cover the teabagger rallies and used an image from CNN's tower cam at that event for their picture of said image?  Yeah, go Fox news.

-Ultimately what will do in mankind is a person's fear of their own freedom-

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

There was also them using pictures from a rally during the summer to make a rally during autumn seem bigger than it really was.

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

wow so you're saying that unstable homes/lives can cause kids to act out? That's shocking!

I played videogames when I was nine and went through some hard times then (not going to talk about it) but I didn't kill myself.

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

her website looks like it was designed by a 14 year old.

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Completly puker-type and Mommy it hurts my eyes style website.

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Is there any evidence at all that the kid even played games?

 

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Considering she bills herself as a family/relationship specialist, she's much more qualified to comment on the role the family played. I'd leave any potential effect media had on the kid to a child psychologist. Specialties exist for a reason.

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Funny how she blaming videogame when they just stated before hand that we shouldn't.

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Technically, I think she just said we shouldn't blame the family (Because why should we actually hold people accountable for creating and shaping a life?).  Nevermind that even if video games did somehow cause this, it would be said family's fault that he had them in the first place!

Re: After Tragedy, Dr. Plays Violent Game Blame Card

Is there a word for this, oh wait, Hypocrite

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

 
Forgot your password?
Username :
Password :

Shout box

You're not permitted to post shouts.
Andrew EisenSlightly Mad Studio comments on Wii U version of Project Cars: http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2015/05/exclusive_slightly_mad_studio_head_ian_bell_sets_the_record_straight_on_project_cars_wii_u05/27/2015 - 11:54am
E. Zachary KnightGamasutra has a really interesting interview with the Hatred developers. http://gamasutra.com/blogs/AlbertPalka/20150526/244229/Real_talk_with_Destructive_Creations_Hatred_interview.php05/27/2015 - 10:11am
WonderkarpLove Gamerevolutions Summary of Splatoon "It's like Double Dare found love with a roll of sushi and made a beautiful, action-packed Wii U game."05/27/2015 - 9:41am
E. Zachary KnightExtra Credits promotes SJW PC crap by discussing Rust's decision to include race but not give players a choice. ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh1zfdUTqBY05/27/2015 - 9:20am
ZippyDSMleeIt would be haliarous if soemone started complaining about it in some form or another.05/27/2015 - 8:58am
E. Zachary KnightMore SJW PC crap being shoved down the throats of game designers and gamers ;) http://gamasutra.com/view/news/244376/Bloodstaineds_female_lead_Miriam_reflects_the_games_audience.php05/27/2015 - 8:43am
PHX Corphttp://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1052280 USF was released a few days ago and it has a Truckload of bugs05/27/2015 - 8:24am
ZippyDSMlee2 hours of FOTNS:KR2 and my hand still hurts 0-o05/27/2015 - 7:56am
PHX Corphttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/iga/bloodstained-ritual-of-the-night/description apparently Bloodstained: ritual of the night will have a Wii U version(through Armature Games)05/26/2015 - 9:02pm
WonderkarpSo I found out I'm Invincible Today. I drove through a Tornado and didnt even know it. was windy and torrential downpour but I drove through like a boss. 05/26/2015 - 7:35pm
ZenEnded up giving the code to Andrew so he gets to be the other guinea pig lol.05/26/2015 - 6:53pm
ZenSo...who wants to help with an experiment and get a free game for 3DS and possibly Wii U lol? Gave a friend the Wii u OlliOlli code from the Humble Bundle and it gave him the 3DS one too. Still have a 3DS code which may give a Wii U version too.05/26/2015 - 4:35pm
Zenjust wish they had been as open about development as they were with X1 and PS4. All we got were interviews saying everything was great and then this lol.05/26/2015 - 4:14pm
ZenYeah, he brought it up again as time went on and stated it was not to be taken seriously. And I am in NO way defending people who are acting like...well....the not so nice way to say "butts". And I don't personally think they haven't worked on the game, I05/26/2015 - 4:12pm
Andrew EisenSo I can see why Bell would be ultra defensive and snippety. But, again, still not an advisable thing to say.05/26/2015 - 3:57pm
Andrew Eisennot to mention horrifically insulting.05/26/2015 - 3:56pm
Andrew EisenAgreed, even out of frustration, not an advisable thing to post. As for the rest, sounds like it thought its tweeks and optimizations would work. The idea that it was stringing everyone along and not actually working on it is nearly nonsensical...05/26/2015 - 3:55pm
Zenand looking great...yet refused to even show a single screen shot while touting their open development on X1 and PS4. People are now asking if they even worked on the game or if it was dropped in the beginning & they were keeping up appearances instead.05/26/2015 - 3:53pm
ZenI understand that, but making a blanket statement to cover an entire market like that will do nothing more than push consumers away or alienate a group. Other issues stem from the interviews and public announcements they made stating the game is running05/26/2015 - 3:52pm
Andrew EisenNot an advisable thing to post, I'll grant you.05/26/2015 - 3:47pm
 

Be Heard - Contact Your Politician