Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

February 11, 2010 -

It’s the game that has enraged populaces around the world and now Italy has apparently noticed that Rapelay can indeed be found on the Internet.

Italian newspaper Il Corriere (translation here) has a story up which features an assemblage of important types screaming about the game being just a series of tubes away from common citizens.

Giorgia Meloni, Minister of Youth, said that he would speak to Postal and Communications Police to get the game removed from the Net, while the Mayor of Rome himself, Gianni Alemanno, called for the game to be banned.

Gabriella Moscatelli, President of Telefono Rosa, a group that fights violence against women, also came out against the availability of Rapelay, saying that it was an “incitement to commit a crime.”

Also joining in the condemnation of Rapelay were Barbara Saltamartini from the People of Freedom (PDL) party and Dorina Bianchi of the Union of Christian and Centre Democrats (UDC), who said something along the lines of “while spending commitment and energy to propose and promote policies to support women, we discover that the creators of a video game put the same amount of commitment to train a generation of rapists. I drop my arms.

GP: Just to clarify, the premise for the game is sick, there’s no doubt about that. The furor that continually crops over it each time a country “discovers” it however is bizarre, as are the subsequent attempts to scrub it from the Internet. Rapelay is definitely a uniter, in that it has virtually zero backers (other than Penn Jillette perhaps), making it the ultimate safe target for attack."


Thanks to reader ItaliAnon for the link and translation assistance!


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Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

While I find the game to be utterly and completely revolting as a staunch believer in Freedom of Speech I strongly disagree with banning or censoring it.

 "No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

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Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

This is a really bad game to make. Not saying that the person(s) playing it could actually learn to do aweful things in this game to real life people, b/c they have a choice, of course. But still, this game should have never been made. Someone has a sick mind.

 

 

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Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

You'd think with a new GP the opinion Dennis had wouldn't be repeated. I guess it still is.

No matter, we still have our opinions at least. I still have the same, that we shouldn't go around banning stuff, you may call it sick if you wish but trying to limit the distribution of it is silly. The game isn't even available in most of those countries unless they get it from another person directly. So it makes the point of calling for a ban a "do nothing, but decry against it" action that accomplishes nothing.

 

Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

Rapelay is a sick, disgusting and perverted game and it requires people to play with their joysticks. I love the way that GP knows exactly what it's doing and that's to stoke up the fire and make gamers irrate, and gamers just keep falling into the same trap.

Violent pornography is sick and the people that enjoy do have something wrong in them as they gain sexual satisfaction from someone else's non-consensual pain. Pornographic games are different to violent games because due to the main use of being a masturbation aid so they fed on different urges, and it is a fact that pornography can become very addictive, I haven't heard the same with non-sexual violent imagery.

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"Just to clarify, the premise for the game is sick, there’s no doubt about that."

I think you meant "In my opinion." Because there's a whole Island nation full of people who would take serious issue with your assertion there. Even if you, or I think the game is sick and depraved, the furor around this game is utterly ridiculous. They 'called for the game to be banned' did they? It hasn't even been RELEASED there ffs, it was never supposed to be released to anyone but the Japanese people.

God the internet really is an inconvenience to those who seek to suppress individual thought isn't it?

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two words

again urghhh (ok that second one was more of a sound but I made my point)

Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

Why worry about a game on rape when snuff films featuring REAL rape still exist? 

Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

Ok, time to move on folks, It's only a game.

If you are deeply offended by the game, then perhaps you should consider that for many thousands of years real rape has been going on long before any of us alive were even born.

 

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while spending commitment and energy to propose and promote policies to support women, we discover that the creators of a video game put the same amount of commitment to train a generation of rapists.

"while the NAACP spends commitment and energy to propose and promote policies to support blacks, we discover that the creators of interracial porn videos put the same amount of commitment to tell a generation of blacks that it's okay to rape white women."

I can say irrational things too. and for the record, I don't mean to sound racist, I simply mean to show how stupid that argument is

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Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

While I agree that Raping shouldn't be condoned. I rather have would be rapists playing this game instead of actually acting out their rape fantasies in real life.

 

Thats one of the points of games, the ability to do something that you would otherwise be unable to or do unwanted things in real life (murder, sex, war, saving the princess, drugs, ect)

 

So people get their 'kicks' out of this kind of thing. I say let them, in a virtual world instead of the real world.

 

I personally dont like the idea of any game being banned for their contents, no matter what the content is.

 

 

 

PS. Someone should do a study on sex offenders, and if H Games that appeal to them help them subdue their extreme wants in doing these kinds of things

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Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

While I understand the point you're trying to make, I seriously doubt watching some words on screen and a few pictures will ever EVER replace the urge to rape in rapists' minds.

That's like saying regular H-games will eliminate urges to have consentual sex should the opportunity present itself.

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Gee I wonder what would happen if these guys found some of the sick fetishes you could find on the internet.

How could they get rid of the game anyway if someone were to host it on a non-Italian server?

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Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

Way a go bring this back from the grave and give it an extra hundred or so downloads that would of never happened before the controversy.

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Its fiction people stop having a fou cow........


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Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

exactly! it's no more real than American interracial porn where blacks are portrayed as brutal. only difference is that Rapelay isn't being racist.

maybe the fact that the rapist in Rapelay is the son of a politician has something to do with it…

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Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

I really can't find myself offended by this game. It's definitely a sick premise but it doesn't bother me since it's not real. I tried playing it for about 5 minutes and it's a really crappy game. I'll back its continued existence and availability. The whole point of the first amendment is to protect speech. Non controversial speech doesn't need protection.

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IDK if Italy has a version of the First Amendment in their laws.

(Anyone who knows otherwise is free to correct me. IDK jack about Italian law.)

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Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

Article 21 Italian Constitution
(1) Everyone has the right to freely express thoughts in speech, writing, and by other communication.
(2) The press may not be controlled by authorization or submitted to censorship.

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(6) Publications, performances, and other exhibits offensive to public morality are prohibited.  Measures of prevention and repression against violations are provided by law.

Closest thing I could find (3-5 aren't relevant to the matter at hand).

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Thanks. Noted for future reference.

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Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

I've an interest in the visual novel scene and do recall back when the game came out in Japan. It wasn't my cup of tea at all so I never paid too much attention to it, but if I recall correctly it was generally considered a poor game by almost all measures. It was outsold by plenty of more worthy titles. Illusion are known for pushing games with 3D graphics which even today is fairly uncommon in the eroge market, and I expect that was the primary driving force behind the sales it got. It was very much a niche product even amongst it's peers.

As unappealing as it may be though, I just can't bring myself to be outraged or even remotely offended. It's a work of fiction and any bearing it may have on the real world seems tenuous at best. To me real crimes and imaginary crimes are very different things and having our legal systems confuse the two is a dangerous path to go down. I certainly would prefer to see people commit crime (of any sort) in a game rather than doing it in real life. That certainly goes against the arguements put forth by the politicians, but it's not hard to make the counter-argument that games can have a cathartic influence.

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I thought we'd be done with this two years ago.

Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

Yeah, you'd think that, wouldn't you, but sadly, like a zombie, it just keeps coming back.

 

Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

Dear GP

IT'S JUST A DAMN GAME!!!!

Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

the Mayor of Rome himself, Gianni Alemanno, called for the game to be banned.

it's still worth noting that even before the controversy started, the creators themselves made it illegal to export the game.

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Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

I don't necessarily back it, but there are plenty of films about rape or rapists that are (apparently) ok, and arguing rapelay should be banned for being about rape holds about as much water with me as arguing GTA should be banned for being about stealing cars or murder.

After all, technically Manhunt (the original not the shitty sequal) was pretty sick too.

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Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

Okay, the ridiculous furors when the game is "discovered" by a new group that wasn't aware of its existence is stupid, but I feel compelled to point out that I don't think Penn is arguing for the game.  He's arguing against the ban being done on the premise that the game turns people into rapists, and his point is perfectly valid.  In fact, I agree with him!  Allowing the game to actually be released (with the appropriate adults-only rating) and letting the market decide its fate would kill it already!  Seriously, I think 99% of society can agree it's not a game they want to buy, and nobody I know would be caught dead walking into a game store and actually asking for it.  Maybe they would torrent it just to see what it's about, but that's mostly out of a morbid curiosity.  I doubt they would ever give the developers actual money for it, which means they can't stay in business to make these games.  Not to mention the fact that all this soapbox whoring is just drawing more attention to it.  Hello, ever heard of the Streisand Effect people?!

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Those with common sense need not apply.

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Re: More Whining over Rapelay as "Furor" Hits Italy

Not this again. Make it three.

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Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

It's funny, games like these have existed since I think the SNES, and despite them being avaialble o nthe net for years, all these people are JUST learning of them and getting outraged, taking up the old "I'd never play this and no one else should either" stance. To many just the existence of this media is a crim against all beings.

Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

This is as clear an example of the Steisand Effect as I've ever seen. This has gone for a niche game barely heard of in Japan from four years ago to a huge pseudo-contraversy.

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Agreed. Im just surprised Italy only found out about the game a year after all the contravery

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Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

I'll back it.  That's two.

 

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Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

I'll throw my hat into the 'backing it' pile. It's a work of fiction, that's really where the matter should end. Anger over it's availability is one thing but the argument that it shouldn't even exist and causes harm has no ground as far as I'm concerned.

Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

Well, registered a few days back to comment on something entirelly different, but I'm glad I got a chance to weight on this one. So here I go.

Sign me on the supporting team. All the arguments have been said and it's beyond ridiculous that people still react that way to it. Btw, GP, you too could tone it down a bit... (Yeah for going after GP on first post, but avid reader does not mean mindless sheep ^^ )

Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

I'll back it because at the end of the day you have to ask one question

Can you demonstrate any harm caused by the game (and no a developer missing sleep to finish it does not count)?

No.

So there's no reason to ban it.

I don't understand the stupidity of 'if it lets you do it in a game it's encouraging you to do it in real life'. Do these people really think games need don't try this at home disclaimers?

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Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

Make me 5, if you ban this, might as well ban everything else to begin with.  Sad part is, it was just intended for Japan and now, this idiotic deal just continues.

It's like beating a ****ing dead horse.

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Six. I call MST3K Mantra on these folks.

"It's just a [game], I should really just relax."

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Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

I´m backing this game because if they start to ban this game, then they will want to ban every single porn game.

I would like to see porn game produced in America, but if they start to lit the torches for a foreing game, then there will no chance of it.

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Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

actually a porn game was made in america, it was called Bonetown, its relatively big budget (for a porn game)

 

Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

I remember Sexvilla, but I would like to see a bigger videogame porn industry in America, just like Japan.

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Same here.

I believe fiction/fantasy should have NO limitations.

And, unlike those falsely claiming it leads to real world crime, I can tell the difference between ficiton and reality.

I'd write another long post, as I have many times on this subject, but I'm at work and I'm also trying to get some info on TVs to buy.

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Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

Ditto.  Also it seems that they have found that there are ways you can still buy it, or have they finally realised that you can easily find a working download with google, and by giving so much attention to the game, they are alerting the curious of it's existence?

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And me makes TEN!!! I think...

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Re: Rapelay Furor Hits Italy

It took me a minute but I got it.

It's Mermaid from the episode where spongebob and co got superpowers.

May I have my cookie?

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Yes you may.

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