Another DRM Victim Details Woes

March 1, 2010 -

Last week we covered an interesting article from Ars Technica that focused on the problems videogame DRM technology can have on soldiers stationed overseas.

Yet another group of gamers impacted by DRM? Cruise ship workers.

GP received an email from the Chief Officer of a cruise ship, who prefers to remain nameless, detailing the problems DRM can inflict on those living at sea:

… we quite often don't have a good Internet connection or it's cost prohibitive, especially on our personal computers. I watch movies and play games during my, albeit limited, time off. There have been many games that I have been unable to play because of DRM issues, games such as Spore & recently Empire: Total War caused me huge problems simply because it required an Internet connection during installation. I had to spend $120 USD on Internet charges just for the privilege of installing Empire: Total War.

Is our Chief Officer alone in his problems with DRM? Not by a long shot. He continued:

I know of 40 other crew on my ship who regularly play games in their time off, this is a ship with only 217 crew. That's nearly 20% of the crew. I realize this is a very small sample, but it could lead to a large number of people who can't play games in the entire shipping industry. Crew would also be more inclined to play cracked/pirated games to get through this DRM issue. I would buy the real game regularly, if I knew that I could play on my ship regardless of where I was. It's gotten to the point where I don't play PC games anymore, because so many have these, or similar problems requiring the internet.

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Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

Things like this are what lead me to believe that the console industry isn't killing PC gaming because it's better; it's doing it by giving people a way to play games without having to deal with idiotic DRM.  I can think of at several 360 games I own simply because I don't want to have to deal with activation limits and rootkits masquerading as copy protection (I'm looking at you, SecuROM).

Then again, maybe this is a happy side effect as far as the publishers are concerned.  If PC gaming is a small enough market, they can ignore that and focus strictly on consoles.

 

 -P, looking forward to C&C4 and never having to buy from EA again.

Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

"It's gotten to the point where I don't play PC games anymore, because so many have these, or similar problems requiring the internet."

I feel the same way. I've stopped upgrading my PC to run new games. It's just too expensive and the number of games I'm likely to play on the PC (given the DRM issues) is shrinking every year. I play single-player mode for almost every game - I just don't enjoy multiplayer except for L4D (and I have that on my Xbox 360) - so I don't see why I should be forced to have an internet connection when I only play offline.

Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

I am planning in putting 2K or so into my comp in the next 2-3 years I want to build around 4-8 USB 3.0 port mobo. and that will be the last time I bother with putting anyhting more than 300$ into my PC....

 

And frankly as simple as gaming is getting mechanic wise IE its becoming a film like experience IE dumbed down I am starting to just hate and loath modern gaming...


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Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

Actually if the crew is unable to get enough internet to install their games, does this also imply that many cruise ships do not have internet connection themselves? Cause that would mean thousands of passengers would be without internet... i mean, sure you don't go on a cruise to go online, but frankly at the end of any day i do like to unwind with a little gaming... kinda goes along the lines of not always being able to get internet access wherever you go, particularly while traveling

Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

Well, I would guess that customers either have the option to get internet online, or it comes with their ticket. Shipworkers might not have that luxary, or it might come out of their salary, or something.

Just a guess.

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

These people should think themselves lucky they don't have first gen PS3s...

Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

Empire Total War uses Steam. Yes, you need to connect to the Internet to install it but otherwise afterwards you can play it offline and redownload whenever you have a connection. Unless you're buying the Collectors Edition it wasn't worth it to buy Empire without going to steam and buying it from them.

If you have limited means of connecting it can be an issue but otherwise Empire Total War using Steam made me a fan of Steams Service but I can see where people would have problems when buying games retail and then forcing you to use steam.

Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

Not being able to paly a game or watch a vid becuse of the DRM on soemthing you bought it reminds me of the old mindset on rape, well its he womans fault for being there/looking like that/ect. Its the fault of a buyer for not uderstanding the DRM... or whatever.....


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

No Zippy, they understand the DRM. Which is precisely why they are complaining about it.

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Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

Sorry but under the clear fine print the ESA(RIAA and MPAA) will have you belive that not only that you are renting what you purchase that if you do not follow the rules of the license you can only not use but own the product you have purchased.


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

And, as usual, absolutely none of that is relevent to the article at hand you fucking spaz.

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Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

And your trolling and anme calling is soemone?

 

You need to elarn to read thier bud, not being able to own and thus use what you buy is at the core of the the article....


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

No Zippy, being unable to PLAY, not ownership, is the core of the article. Just because a one-track broken record cretin like you rejects that reality and substitutes his own does not make it so. Keep talking to those little animals that seem to populate your brain.

Also, anime calling? I work with spastics more coherent than you, and that's saying something.

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I LIKE the fence. I get 2 groups to laugh at then.

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Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

First drm hurts people fighting for my country, now its hurting crew members of cruise ships? DRM sucks.

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Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

So DRM is basically robbing soldiers and shipping workers of their limited free time. Good work ESA, you just made lives worse and yanked choice out from under people.

Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

Game developers ignore the needs of soldiers at thier own peril.  They tend to make good and loyal customers, and they have enough standing in sociaty that people listen to them and emuate their preferences.

The game company I used to work for was very careful about this (to the point we had seperate servers for the navy) and it paid off pretty well when they returned to civilian life.

 

Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

THAT is a sensible policy! Having two different versions, one that is DRM-heavy and one that isn't, makes absolute sense! That way people that are in the Navy or in areas without (good) internet connection can play without having to deal with the shitty DRM bullshit.

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

-Optimum est pati quod emendare non possis-It is best to endure what you cannot change-

Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

*nods* which is why I wonder sometimes just how interested some video game companies actually are in making money.   

When I see stories like this DRM one, to me they feel more like office politics and posturing.  The high level decision making has become to abstracted from the actual economics and group think ends up posioning the marketing division.

So just like politics.. it becomes not about what is good for the company (country), but what puts one in a favorable possition within the somewhat insulated corperate community.  So following a popular meme is more important then generating actual sales, and working on sexy things is more important then actually growing your customer base (the visually impared discussion is an example of this second point)

Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

Glad i only played a cracked version of Spore. I hate games that call home. 

Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

We need more people like this speaking up, not butthurt people that aren't REALLY affected but just don't like DRM and say "Ima pirate it on principal lolzor!!11"

Of course, I doubt the ECA will do much to help them either.

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Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

If he's having problems now, wait until he hears of Ubisoft's DRM policy.

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Re: Another DRM Victim Details Woes

I'm pretty sure he already has, hence getting in touch with GP.

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