3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

March 8, 2010 -

A three-year old Lebanon, Tennessee girl apparently shot herself in the stomach after mistaking her stepfather’s pistol for a Wii controller.

WSMV in Nashville has the story, which began after Douglas Robert Cronberger investigated a trespasser on his property. Returning inside, Cronberger placed his gun on the counter where Cheyenne Alexis McKeehan picked up the weapon, possibly mistaking it for a Wii controller according to her mother, and shot herself in the abdomen.

The little girl succumbed to her injuries on Sunday night. No charges have been filed against the stepfather.

It’s unclear if the girl mistook the gun for a standard Wii remote or for a Wii gun accessory, but in the end it doesn't really matter.

Update: GPer Rodrigo Ybáñez García points out a Kotaku story, which references an All About The Games story that in turn points to News Channel  5 article which features a picture of both the real gun and the Wii gun.

The Wii accessory in question is a Wii Semi-Auto Pistol, which Kotaku says is manufactured by the Chinese company HAIHONGCHANG Electronics. The HAIHONGCHANG is black and quite realistic looking and was most likely illegally imported. Section 4, Title 15 of the Federal Energy Management Improvement Act of 1988 dictates that all toy guns transported or imported within the U.S. must feature a “blaze orange” (or brighter) marking on the muzzle of any toy gun.

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

 Blame video games and you won't be charged with gross neglect that resulted in a child's death. Wonderful.

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

If you're too stupid to keep a loaded weapon out of reach of your unsupervised children, you might be...a criminally negligent parent!

Seriously how is this guy not in jail?

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

Kotaku posted a follow-up of the story. The Wii-gun apparently looks more real than it should:

 

http://kotaku.com/5489137/wii-gun-involved-in-3+year+old-shooting-is-amazingly-lifelike

 

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

That explains a good deal, but it still doesn't explain why the father left a F***KING LOADED GUN within reach of his three-year-old in the first place.

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

I´m agree that this fact doesn´t cover any negligency about this matter. It could be a water gun, but then this story could fall into oblivion by the media.

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

 ...Brilliant.

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

...Wow.

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

Well, I'm glad GP, unlike every other news source, is willing to admit that the child shot herself and not that the gun auto magically "Went off".

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

Why am I the only one who seems concerned that this 3-year old seemingly picked up and pulled the trigger on a gun with ease? Sensationalism aside, there is very clearly something much worse than negligence going on here.

I want you to imagine this full scenario step by step and tell me that you believe a three year old girl could pick up a gun, which is somewhat heavy for a three year old, position it barrel first at herself and somehow pull the trigger, or at least put enough force on it to discharge the gun. Depending on the kind of gun, there's also the question of her being able to manipulate the safety on the gun. If that's not the case, this means the stepfather left a loaded and live weapon out, which only makes this even worse.

I can't really imagine this kid being shot in this way without someone else behind behind the gun. It just doesn't add up at all. I almost want to accuse this guy of shooting his kid and then shifting the blame to the Wii because he figured the videogame angle would keep the focus off himself.

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

Unless the gun was a double action it doesn't take all tha tmuch to pull the trigger.

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

If it was single action, it would require more force, most likely.  At LEAST enough force applied to the hammer to cock it fully, or enough force applied to the slide to chamber the round AND cock the hammer.

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

Um, not if there was a round chambered and the hammer was already cocked, which seems likely.

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

 

Epic Fails

1. Loaded handgun kept in living room

2. 3 year old with a gun

3. 3 year old alone

4. 3 year old can't tell difference between Wii peripheral and real gun?

5. 3 year old doesn't know how to use a gun?

If the parents would have prevented any one of these EPIC FAILs their child would be alive.  

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

Todays lesson boys and girls:

Room + Child + Unsecured Weapon + Unsupervised Environment = Criminal Negligence.

Case closed...

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

I'm unsure of how a gun could be mistaken for a wiimote as guns are normaly alot heavier. Or, am I missing something?

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

You're missing the fact that 3 year olds don't have the same cognitive abilities as you (I hope). -_-

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

Yeah, That's true.

I'm trying to figure out where everyone else is getting the idea that the kid mistook the gun for the wiimote. Afterall the kid didn't say 'Oops, I thought that was the wiimote, and not a loaded gun.' I'm not trying to make light of the situation, I just son't know where they are comming up with that assumption.

 

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edit - Just read the update. Nevermind.

Consumer responsibility is just as important as Corporate responsibility.

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

Wii is starting to destroy the world!

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

To the "ZOMG! a locked gun is bad might as well take them away" people...here is a thought....... you keep it locked or on you during the day and unlocked at night...... so you know....you can get to it.

 

I swear we need to lock people away for misuseing and abusing guns..... they are the reason why people fear and laoth guns.....


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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

On gun fantatic websites I've often seen pictures of people with a gun underneath their pillow.  Anyone who cannot see just how wrong that is need help.  Then there are the nuts who think that if people could carry guns onto planes that 9/11 would have never happend.  That is why NRA members and "responsible gun owners" frighten me more than any criminal.  I mean with a criminal you pretty much know what you are going to get.  They point the gun at you and will likely shoot you.  No surprise.  But with "responsible gun owners" you might just get fucked up out of the blue.

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

i think Kotaku made a better point of it tbh.

wii remote peripheral or not 3 yo's get into EVERYTHING.

crap, my 5yo cousin has to be swatted out of my shelf space to prevent him from trying to play with my collections (much of which is either hard work hand made stuff, or $200+ imported items. or just random trash i bought during my military time and brought home)

so Wii remote or not, the kid would've grabbed the gun. 'nother question is what game was a 3yo playing that had that peripheral, and probably been NOT playing?

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

You think she would've shot the TV or the sensor bar first.

Also how many guns are white, true it could've been painted but still?

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

 Shame on you GP for posting this sensationalist garbage.

I don't care if you were just posting what another article said. To make what you made your title and talk about the wiimote pistol LIKE IT HAS ANY FUCKING RELEVANCE TO A THREE YEAR OLD WHEN A LOADED AND ARMED PISTOL WAS LEFT ON A LIVING ROOM TABLE is simply an embarassment. I never thought I'd be one of those people, but this is about the 4th time I've seen an article posting shit like this. I'm done.

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

So. Like I said- overreact much?

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

Um, yeah.  So if GP cut out all of the stories where any video games didn't have any relevance but has been dragged into it anyhow then there would be MUCH MUCH less stories than there already are.  Like, every single story involving any sort of act of violence or shootings ever.

But people like Johnny Bruce, and Leland Yee try to make it the issue.  The act isn't the story, the shoehorning is the story.

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

Oh yes. GP is the ultimate evil for posting another source's story and you calling it "sensationalist". Overreact much?

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

The man has a point: the title is misleading and the importance of the story is misplaced: a girl died because some dumbass left a loaded gun on a table within her reach. The wiimote HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING.

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

While I won't jump to the ceiling because of it, point for these 2. The game controller has, indeed, no relevance whatsoever to the story except as a plausible theory behind the action of the child, hence, not game related (nor politic) and even less headline worthy.

Now if you tell me the girl played vg at her age and died, well, it can be seen as a sympathy post as some other have been before, in which case it's fine.

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

Especially as they're just theorizing that the child thought the pistol was a wiimote.  I'm sorry, but I don't buy that.  The child was three years old, which, as I recall, was the age when my child began to pick up fucking EVERYTHING of mine, forcing me to move my expensive, breakable, and mobile property to higher surfaces.

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

"It’s unclear if the girl mistook the gun for a standard Wii remote or for a Wii gun accessory, but in the end it doesn't really matter."

Actually, it should.  It was the stepfather who made the comment.  It was the stepfather who was the idiot boob who left his gun lying within reach of a 3 year old.  It's the stepfather who needs to derail any responsibility of his by blaming a video game console controller.

Yes, she may have seen such a controller used.  Yes, she may have generally thought "new toy".

But, yes, he was the idiot who left a real, harmful object around where the 3 year old could reach it and do what she did.  If it had been a Wii controller, she wouldn't be dead.

This isn't about being for or against gun control/rights.

This isn't about the value, harm, or Freedom of Speech Rights/censorship of video games, violent or otherwise.

This is about a f**kwit who left a REAL weapon lying around where a 3 year old could reach it.

Charges?  The fact that he tried to pawn his responsibility off on something else shows he's learned NOTHING whatsoever from this.  While, legally, he couldn't be charged with the most serious acts, his very act of trying to get out of his responsibility is more than enough for me to want to see him charged with murder in the 1st degree.  This, to me, is no different than a drunk driver running down someone in the street and trying to put the blame on the alcohol and being drunk.

Now, I've had my rant for the night.  I'm going to Facebook this one, point out my rant so it gets further mentioned, since I can't rant on the news site, and move on to other important stories of the day on other news sites.

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

"Actually, it should.  It was the stepfather who made the comment."

It was the mother.

 

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

From the article:

"Cheyenne's stepfather, Douglas Robert Cronberger..."

Next paragraph:

"Cronberger said Cheyenne mistook the weapon for a Wii video game controller ..."

According to The Tennessean (  http://www.tennessean.com/article/20100308/NEWS03/100308009/Accidental-shooting-kills-Wilson-County-child    ), the sheriff, Terry Ashe, also made reference to it:

"The child had been playing a Nintendo Wii video game, Ashe said. The game’s controller was shaped like a gun that looked very similar to the real handgun, which her stepfather had put on a table in the living room. Ashe said the girl pulled the gun off the table and it went off."

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

Interesting.  That's not what the article I originally linked GP to said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,588390,00.html

"The mother told investigators her daughter could have thought the gun was a controller for a Nintendo Wii."

Possible both the stepfather and mother are providing the same rationalization.

 

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

"Possible both the stepfather and mother are providing the same rationalization."

Let's call it what it really is: the same bullshit excuse for their own lack of responsiblity.

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

"The game’s controller was shaped like a gun that looked very similar to the real handgun, which her stepfather had put on a table in the living room." -Wilson County Sheriff Terry Ashe

"The mother told investigators her daughter could have thought the gun was a controller for a Nintendo Wii."

"Cronberger [the stepfather] said Cheyenne mistook the weapon for a Wii video game controller and fatally shot herself in the abdomen."

That's all I've seen so far.  As I said earlier, none of that reads to me like an attempt to shift blame.

"The game’s controller was shaped like a gun that looked very similar to the real handgun, which her stepfather had put on a table in the living room."

"Ashe said the girl's mother was in the same room and the stepfather was asleep when it happened."

"The stepfather told deputies he got out the gun because he heard a prowler, then left it on a living room end table."

"When he returned inside, he placed the gun on a living room table." -the stepfather

The stepfather left a loaded gun the living room table and went to sleep.  The mother was in the room with the daughter at the time.  Again, from what I've read, it does not appear that anyone is trying to shift blame or deny responsibility for their actions.

 

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

"Again, from what I've read, it does not appear that anyone is trying to shift blame or deny responsibility for their actions."

The fact that the Wii was mentioned is an attempt to shift blame or deny responsiblity. There is no reason to do that whatsoever unless you're looking for a scapegoat.

We should be reading and hearing nothing from these parents beyond "We royally fucked up".

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

GP is using a different source story.  It's from WSMV.  And Kotaku is using the Tennesean article, which I actually saw when I Google News Searched the child's name.  I'm beginning to think the whole lot, stepfather, mother, and even the sheriff are trying to scapegoat video game controllers to steer away from this bastard's screwup. 

And many, from around various commenting areas, are saying that this <fill in the blank with any obscene name you want as I can pretty much call him every one of them) should merely be left with the knowledge of what has happened.

Bull.

He, the mother, and even the sheriff don't seem to give a snot about what he is responsible for.  They're busy pawning off the responsibility elsewhere.  We'll NEVER know what the kid was really thinking.  But THEY seem to know.  As long as he doesn't have to take direct responsibility for his acts.  The DIRECT causal link here?  HE left a REAL gun where the 3 year old could reach it, for whatever reason she did.  It's solely HIS responsibility. 

Some folks think he should suffer with his thoughts about his mistake.  Fine.  Stick him in solitary confinement or, even better, a sensory deprivation tank for the rest of his natural life.  That's ALL he'll be able to do, think about what he did.

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

From what I've read, I don't get the sense that either parent is using the "maybe she thought it was a Wii controller" as a means to shift blame but as a way to explain why the kid picked the gun up in the first place.  Of course, to me, a 3-year-old picking up something dangerous (be it a gun, power sander, or gila monster) doesn't require rationalization.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

A line from that FOX News story got to me also:

"Ashe said the girl's mother was in the same room and the stepfather was asleep when it happened."

Did mom know dear ole jackarse left the gun on the table?

The possibility that mommy dearest was across the room and made a dive for child and gun when she realized what was about to happen is possible.

But, still, did mom KNOW the gun was there, and that child was in or near the room?  Even if child was not in the room and entered without being seen initially, mom should have had the brains to put the gun out of reach of the child.  If they were still worried about someone possibly stalking the house, then they should have corraled the child somewhere, rather than letting the child roam.

Yeah, hindsight.  But lack of responsible foresight should be taken into consideration too.

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

Whoa, that could change everything. If I'm asleep on this couch in the living room, and before I went to sleep I set my gun on the counter, and then some little girl comes in with mother after I'm asleep, then how could I be responsible when I'm ASLEEP?

If this is true, and he was asleep when the girl entered the room, then I'd say it would either be a freak accident with no one at fault, or a freak accident with the mother slightly at fault for not, you know, moving the gun or the girl or something.

But, if the stepfather put the gun on the table with the girl in the room and then fell asleep...

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

I'm sorry, but no. This is a family. They have a kid. This kid, like most kids and indeed human beings in general, is prone to moving from one room to another.

If there is a child in the house, a gun should not be left within reach of that child. Period. Whether the child was in the room when the gun was left out or not changes absolutely nothing as far as I'm concerned.
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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

Yeah, it's possible Mom had no idea there was a gun on the table.  If that's the case, then the stepfather is at fault.  However, if she did know the gun was on the table, then the two share blame.

Also, one report mentions a prowler, another says the stepfather was running off a few dogs.  Either way, maybe the kid was corraled while the stepfather was investigating.  We don't know.

 

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

Wait, no charges against the father?  Leaving a deadly instrument laying out in easy access doesn't count as child endangerment anymore?

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

I think it would depend on the timescale.  If he left it overnight or overweekend... yeah, he is in trouble.  if he left it on the counter when checking other things, that is more reasonable.

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

Given the fact that his own daughter got killed because of his mistake, I think that is punishment enough.

He'll never be looked at the same way by his townsmen, he'll likely lose all/most of his friends, he's almost definitely going to lose his wife and half of his possessions in the divorce. There's a chance that he could be let go from his job, he'll likely never be allowed to legally own a firearm again.

Don't you think that's punishment enough?

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

"Don't you think that's punishment enough?"

Legally?  No.  I mean why even have laws, law enforcement, and a judiciary system if we are just going to rely on karma.  I mean it doesn't look like my tax dollars are going to go to getting health care any time soon.  So I might as well get SOME bang for my buck with the imprisonment of this man.

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

Don't forget that the stated goal of the penitenciary system is rehabilitation. If this man has trully learned from his mistake (which I see no proof of, seeing only the blame of a toy and the fact he was a step-father with all the possible detachment it can bring), then emprisoning him would not serve any purpose.

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

Prison is punishment, regardless of the politically correct window dressing they put on it to make it more palatabe.  If the law states that crime A leads to punishment B, then that is it.  His mindset is irrelevant.  Does the law say A or B.  That is what matters.

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Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

Actually, laws are a set of rules meant to attain an objective. Hence the range of possible penalties for a crime. In a perfect system where the only flaw would be to have some people commit crime yet having omniscient judges that all abide the same ideal goals, there would be no need for the punishment to be enshrined in the law as the judge would give each crime the proper sentence.

Punishment as a policing method has never compared advantageously to rehabilitation. Crimes, both violents and not go down when people that actually commited a crime don't look at the time left on their head as something they can't alter. And that's not talking about death sentences. Ignoring the possibility of errors, the odds of removing someone who could have saved lives or done some greater good at a later point and the morality of the thing, how likely is someone that is personaly convinced he will get the death sentence of surrendering?

It is not about being politically correct, it's about supporting a few ideals that make us better while basing our society choices on research. Both of which tend toward the same point, which is, rehabilitation.

Re: 3 Year Old Mistakes Gun for Wii Remote, Shoots Herself

Rehabilitation is a failure.  How many people see the inside of a jail two or more times?  I say we stop trying to turn broken, violent assholes into John Q Public and start lopping off the hands of theives.  Whenever I hear about rehabilitation I just shake my head.

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NeenekoSo "worked" vs "failed" really comes down to who you think is more important and deserving04/15/2014 - 7:04pm
NeenekoThough I am also not sure we can say NYC failed. Rent control helped the people it was intended for and is considered a failure by the people it was designed to protect them from.04/15/2014 - 7:04pm
NeenekoIf they change the rules, demand will plummet. Though yeah, rent control probably would not help much in the SF case. I doubt anything will.04/15/2014 - 1:35pm
TheSmokeyOnline gamer accused of murdering son to keep playing - http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Crime/2014/04/15/21604921.html04/15/2014 - 11:50am
Matthew Wilsonyup, but curent city rules do not allow for that.04/15/2014 - 11:00am
 

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