Anime Artists Fight Tokyo Virtual Child Porn Bill

March 17, 2010 -

A piece of Tokyo legislation that would forbid visual depictions of sexually stimulating characters—who appear to be under 18 years of age—has been put on hold.

Anime News Network reports that the legislation was first proposed on February 24. In a later post on the subject, the site stated that the Democratic Party of Japan indicated that it would postpone a vote on the measure until at least June.

Kotaku reported that several well-known Japanese manga creators appeared at the Tokyo Government Office to voice their displeasure with the proposed legislation. Kotaku interpreted the legislation as blanketing all virtual characters, including those in videogames.

Manga and anime artist Yoshitoshi ABe expressed his opposition to the legislation in a blog entry that was translated by Welcome Datacomp. A sampling of ABe’s rebuttal follows:

… war is obviously a bad thing, but even so, what do you think would happen if we had a complete ban on depictions of war? Children would wonder if war was good or bad, and what would happen if our society had something called war, and despite this foolishness would unfortunately grow into adults.

Humankind has been entrusted with much power, but if we abuse that power to do away with things that we do not like, then thinking in that way, we will give birth to this sterilized room kind of society. The purpose of freedom of speech, in my opinion, is to defend against precisely that sort of thing.

Another aspect of the proposed legislation proposed using filtering technology in Internet cafes and on mobile phones in order to limit what Japanese minors might be able to see online.


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Re: Anime Artists Fight Tokyo Virtual Child Porn Bill

Ya when I muse on it ll I can come up with is sexual abuser and child porn makers get death after 5-10 years of processing the evidence unless there are multiple instances of it then they are a loss to society and need to be put down. Distributing it is sad but really no worse than common IP theft, makeing money off it should be an instant felony tho. But the trouble is the moral panic makes doing anything rational with it impossible.....

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Careful about calling for death too quickly.

Keep in mind in the US, a teenager sending cell phone photos of them-self to another teenager is consider a producer (and consumer) of child pornography, and yes, teens have been arrested for this.

This is one of the big problems with moral panics,... the imagry that is out there is the absolute worse cases, but people extend that to all cases in the class.  Look at how insane we have gotten about 'sex offenders'.  The media talks about them (and people think about them) as 'child rapists one and all', but there are so many lesser crimes in the same catagory (like public urination, sex between underage people, possession of obscene material) that many get over-branded.  It has actually gotten bad enough that vigilantes have started using the list to harass, attack, and even kill 'sex offenders' they find in their neighborhood, independent of what crime they actually committed.

There have been at leset 2 very sad cases of someone who had the label for having underage sex who was later murdered by a local parent who 'feared for the children'.  And then these parents get praises in the media because they 'killed one of those horrible sex offenders' even though the offense was rather pathedic (and common)

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NeeNeko

 

This is why I said after 5-10 years IE a full investigation of the crime. We are far to lenient on really bad criminals. Habitual killers,rapists and child abusers their worth is zero to society and thus should be put under the jail. Now the age of child sex abusers should be under 10, 10 and over you can treat them as "minor" sex abusers which are treated the same as adult abusers/predators.

 

The sex offender registry system and the label sex offender needs to be gutted and overhauled its ruled to much by moral panics than facts and reason.

 

First off the offender needs to have at least 3 incidents(violent rape not "statutory rape",bad public behavior of flashing,groping,kidnapping,ect basically make it so most inane incidents can not be "labeled" while most anything else can be).

 

Then you are own the "list" if you can get 3 shrinks to agree that this person can not control themselves. Statutory rape is a misnomer and should not be used to judge a persons "sex offender" worth, if the teen is beaten up or says they were raped thats a different story.

 

Also for the sake of possession child porn pictures of teens IE 10(I really think these days 10 is the new 13)-13-17 is considered not to be child porn but minor porn and treated on a fully investigated case by case basis..


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Agreed, a gut and overhaul is what is needed, but it will not happen till the panic is over or we get some really high profile gluge cases.  Right now though, even ruined lives and grusome murders are not enough so I am not sure what would be needed.

 

Unfortuantly right now, there is more political capital to be made by extending the lists to include more people rather then widdling them down to the ones that really need to be watched.   Look at any prosecuter or AG and one of the stats they will point to is how many more 'sex offenders' they prosecuted and listed.  And as long as voters see this as a selling point, they will keep finding ways to put more people on the lists regardless of if they really need to be monitored.

And of course the side effect is, as the lists get larger, it increases strain on police to actually track people, which means more slip through and commit high profile crimes, with brings enforcement back into the public view, at which time people want stricter lists with more people on them and fewer rights for the people on the lists.. without additional police funding.. rinse lather repeat.

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Its the nevo wave of zero thought, if it sounds good why should it not work greatly?


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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http://zippydsm.deviantart.com/

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Cue Darksaber and anime haters saying they'll support this bill even if a video game hating politics is involved with this bill in 3...2...1 

 

Re: Anime Artists Fight Tokyo Virtual Child Porn Bill

Well, it looks like Darksaber is taking a nap or something. Usually, he should be here by this now.

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Oh goody so they want to ban fictional child porn. Yayy, why do I have a feeling the proof that the drawings do any sort of harm is also fictional.

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Re: Anime Artists Fight Tokyo Virtual Child Porn Bill

Yet again, like with our usual game problems, do studies, gather evidence. If a link can be made between drawn underage material and a significantly harmful real-world effect, then look at tighter control or bans. In the meantime make sure this stuff is not displayed or sold to minors. The end.

I really don't care about people's sexual preferences. It doesn't matter how bizarre. The only thing that matters is if they perform an act that could harm others. In the case of actual child pornography, anyone who makes it is obviously harming someone. Those that buy or trade it create a market for those who make it and they are still responsible. People who merely view it passively through other means... well, I think it's a grey area. But just being offended at the topic matter of drawn/animated [or written] porn is not harmful. You need to create a tangible link to justify making these things illegal.

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A well written and logical response Longjocks. Though it can be hard for some people to look at pedophilia and say "I guess that's ok", I think that, like other fetishes and sexual orientations, no harm = no foul. I'm not going to check out child porn, drawn or real, anytime soon, but if that's what someone needs to get through the day and nobody is being hurt, I'm not going to say anything.

Hey, every day, I blow away hundreds of virtual zombies, aliens, mutants, and even people. Helps me get through the day. No harm = no foul.

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If they manage to pass that waste of paper, maybe we can argue that the Joker also has constitutional rights and don´t deserve to be beaten by Batman in an interrogation room.

(yes, I know it´s Japan, but there is people in USA that would love that kind of stuff happening...)

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Re: Anime Artists Fight Tokyo Virtual Child Porn Bill

Let me guess, they'd love to have Adam West imprisoned for beatign up Joker in al lthose Batman episodes in the 60s

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So say we all.

Re: Anime Artists Fight Tokyo Virtual Child Porn Bill

What the first two people said, lol. Drawings = no harm, no foul.

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Re: Anime Artists Fight Tokyo Virtual Child Porn Bill

The sexualizing of "fictional youths" doesn't do anything to anyones health property or liberity via force or fraud. It should never be banned.

Re: Anime Artists Fight Tokyo Virtual Child Porn Bill

Agreed, besides, it's, well, a shit ton better than looking at anything real. So long as it's not hurting anyone it should be left alone.

 
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