RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

March 31, 2010 -

RapeLay, the difficult-to-defend game that’s a favorite target of politicians, is the focus of a CNN story which attempts to paint a picture of the game’s rising viral popularity.

While a voiceover says, “the game infuriates women’s rights groups,” the video cuts to Taina Bien-Aime, Executive Director of Equality Now. She states, “These sort of games that normalize extreme sexual violence in women and girls really have no place in our communities”

Bien-Aime later adds:

What we are calling for though, is that the Japanese government ban all games that promote and simulate sexual violence, sexual torture, stalking and rape against women and girls, and there are plenty of games like that.

Reporter Kyung Lah said that despite “repeated calls” to the Japanese government, “not a single government official would speak to CNN on camera,” or make a statement. She did manage to wrangle a comment out of an official via the telephone, who said, “The government realizes these games are a problem and it is checking to see whether self-policing by the game industry is enough.”

Lah asked a British woman, Lucy Kibble, who had sought out the game to see “what it was all about,” if she was offended by the game as a woman. Kibble replied, “No, not at all” She added, “It’s escapism, that’s why people play it.”

Jim Gardner, who appeared next to Kibble on the broadcast, offered his take on the whole situation, saying, “The idea of banning it, or telling people what they can or cannot do just because on the off chance some kid might get involved in it is just ridiculous.”

Lah closes the video report with the statement, “No one should play a game where the only way to win is to rape.”

The CNN piece spawned a wide variety of articles condemning RapeLay, including an article penned by Jill Stanek, a “national figure in the effort to protect both preborn and postborn innocent human life.”

A sampling from Stanek’s take on the game:

I wondered why abortion would be included in such a game. Wasn't it shocking enough? Apparently pregnancy and abortion are recent additions - to increase the shock value. Because abortion is gross, just like rape. It wouldn't be shocking to be impregnated by rape and deliver a beautiful baby.

Stanek continued:

I don't know. I think some pro-lifers don't really understand who we're up against, how important abortion is to satan, how powerful a part abortion plays in the world's spiral downward.

Meanwhile, in Australia, a member of the NSW Rape Crisis Centre is using the reconfirmed existence of Rapelay as a means to justify Internet filtering for the whole country, according to a story in the Sydney Morning Herald. Karen Willis “absolutely” believes in Internet filtering and told the paper, “While I don't think that playing games causes people to go out and do things, what it can do for those who may already have that preclusion is further break down social barriers to them taking that action.”

A counterpart of Willis, sexual assault victim’s advocate Nina Funnell, is against filtering, but offered, “These games are quite vile and for victims out there it's quite distressing to come across these games or even just be aware that they exist and there's a culture of rape tolerance and acceptance.”

As previously noted, a piece of pending Tokyo legislation would ban the use of “sexually stimulating” characters that appear to be under 18 years of age in a wide variety of media, including videogames. A vote on the measure has been postponed until June however.


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Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

"RapeLay, the difficult-to-defend game..."

Because there's nothing to defend.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

Whether or not you think the game in itself should even be allowed, defense isn't really how I'd do it anyway. An attack on the nonsense people are spouting would be so much better.

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To clarify, I'm didn't mean to say the game is indefensible.  I meant that there's no need to defend it because there's no legitamate attack to bring against it.

Don't like it?  Don't play it.  It's that simple.

 

Andrew Eisen

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"What we are calling for though, is that the Japanese government ban all games that promote and simulate sexual violence, sexual torture, stalking and rape against women and girls, and there are plenty of games like that."

 

Hey, at least we now now that all games that promote and simulate sexial violence, torture blah stalking bla rape bla-bla against men and boys, are perfectly O.K.  

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

Culture of rape tolerance?  Since when?!

Anybody here know people who tolerate rape?  Come on, there must be someone.  How can you have a culture with no people behind it?

Oops, guess it doesn't exist after all.  The shock is overwhelming.

"De minimus non curat lex"

"De minimus non curat lex"

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

Oh not this sh*t again....

 

Never underestimate the power of idiots in large amounts.

Never underestimate the power of idiots in large amounts.

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

....stupidity, biased, so on so forth.  Sorry, I've already said everything I had to say about this topic months ago.  Game is porn, quit trying to command other countries, escapism, seen worse, murder, blah blah blah blah blah.

 

Although I've gotta say that this report is more fair than others, they not only went to the gamers, but also the nuts.

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Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

You know, 90% of the people that know about this game now would have never known about it if other people hadn't raised a fuss, and the game would have disappeared into relative oblivion outside of a small audience. All this fearmongering is counter-productive.

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

As I said above, it's 25 to Life all over again, the game would be obscure again if they'd shut up about it.

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

I have been recently been playing games like Yume Miru Kasuri,

I wish the good parts of these hentai games should have been talked about more than the bad parts...but that honestly does not sell the news at all.

When I was playing Yume Miru Kasuri, I was playing a role of a boy who used to sit quietly while the school bullies would be picking on this girl, I would be so afraid of trying to defend her that if I were to defend her against the bullies then I would in turn be bullied myself.

But then I got to know the girl who was bullied, I even saved her life when she wanted to commit suicide and I stopped her...

I then fell in love with her, and she fell in love with me...

But when the bullies tried to bully her too far...I suddenly had the guts to come in and stop the bullies from almost killing her.

Then when the bullies tried to bully me, the girl who I love came in and defended me, and she even punched the leader of the bullies...

She is a strong girl...and I love her for that...staying quiet the whole time I watched her being bullied, and when I became bullied she didn't hesitate to stand up and defend me.

That is why I love Yume Miru Kasuri and other hentai games like that so much, not because of the sex or the porn involved, but for the amazing storylines that they tell.

 

So even when the world looks like they are attacking rapelay, I see those people nothing more than bullies themselves... because they are bullying Japan and I want to stand up and defend Japan from being attacked all because those bullies don't understand anything about Japan.

 

I am an Otaku male who loves games like this...not matter how disturbing they might be for someone else...

 

TBoneTony

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I am just waiting for CNN etc to catch on to lolicon or rorikon sex games.

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

Surprised that Faux Noise's Faux & Fiends didn't pick this article up first. Besides this isn't suppose to be anyone's business but Japan's. The US and other countries should stay out of it & let the japanese government handle the situation of legalizing it.

What we got here is failure to communicate!

What we got here is failure to communicate!

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

“These games are quite vile and for victims out there it's quite distressing to come across these games or even just be aware that they exist and there's a culture of rape tolerance and acceptance.”

These people are quite asinine and for free thinkers out there it's quite distressing to come across these people or even just be aware that they exist and there's a culture of intolerance and censorship.

Oh snap, did I just prove the futility of trying to force the whole world to not offend anybody?  The solution is not to silence the offensive, it's to grow a thicker skin and quit getting offended so much.

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

"it's quite distressing to come across these games or even just be aware that they exist"

You can say the same thing for the people who see shock videos, just replace games with videos.

There will ALWAYS be stuff out there that'll offend you no matter who you are. Trying to ban it all is not a solution.

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Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

"The only way to win is to rape girls?"

THAT IS THE BIGGEST LOAD OF BULLSHIT I EVER HEARD...

You play a role in a story, NOT to win by raping women...

Even when the most sensible people, the couple from britten who have played the game, they didn't have much of air time but at least the explained that they were not offended by the game and also that they feel that nobody should tell them and anyone else what they should or should not play.

 

But in the end, this story was made by the news who are trying to sell this story to women's rights groups... so go figure why there is so much bias in this news report trying to make something bad look even worse than what it should be,

 

My view, if you are offended by what happens in a game, you should be looking closer at REAL LIFE, and try to change REAL LIFE instead of trying to change fantasy worlds...

 

Or in my view, those women's rights groups should...GET A LIFE OF THEIR OWN...

 

TBoneTony

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

"What we are calling for though, is that the Japanese government ban all games that promote and simulate sexual violence, sexual torture, stalking and rape against women and girls, and there are plenty of games like that."

Of course, if you find some with men and boys as the victim, let her know.  I'm sure she needs to satisfy her own perverse, sick, deviant desires.  After all, she doesn't seem to think that such acts are wrong if men and boys are the victims, in the real world OR the fictional one.

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Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

"“While I don't think that playing games causes people to go out and do things, what it can do for those who may already have that preclusion is further break down social barriers to them taking that action.”"

Wow contradicting yourself in the same sentence, quite impressive.

I take this to either mean

"I don't think it causes harm, I only wanna get rid of it because it's disgusting but I don't want to admit that"

or

"I think it will cause harm but I don't wanna look like a nut so I'll give the other side lip service."

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Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

"rape against women and girls, and there are plenty of games like that."

Why would you not include men and boys in that request unless it's all ready part of the law (and if it is part of the existing law why not point that out)?

I sent them a letter asking them to explain their logic that this game causes people to commit rape, and it was slightly hostile but they never got back.

“No one should play a game where the only way to win is to rape.” meanwhile games that make you murder to win is a-ok. Hell I can name board games that make you murder your opponents playing pieces in order to win.

13 dead end drive anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-IIhrIOiE8&feature=related

Notice how the commercial is marketed at kids

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Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

Just gotta say, I love 1313 Dead End Drive. Such a great board game...I remember the first time playing it, I was only 6-ish years old, but it was fun!

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Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

It is fun, unfortunately trying to get my brother to play it with me nowadays is like pulling teeth.

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Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

My signature says it all. If they gonna make a big deal about this game, then why not attack anything that portrays graphic killing? Thad posted above me and mentioned how supporting free speech means defending the indefensible. That's exactly what this game falls under. I would hope the folks who made this game knew what kind of backlash would occur but honestly is there that much of a gap between a game that has a character rape women vs a game that has you kill hundreds of enemies, where the main character isn't always a knight in shining armor? 1 ban would leave a path to another and another and another until ther'e nothing left because its all "offensive."

 

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"With free speech either all of it is ok or none of it is." Kyle Broflovski

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

 I don't know. I think some pro-lifers don't really understand who we're up against, how important abortion is to satan, how powerful a part abortion plays in the world's spiral downward.

Which segment of this statement is more ridiculous, the attack on woman's rights or the part where an imaginary boogeyman thinks it's important.

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

It is interesting to note that while I find rape despicable.  Japan (whose pornography consists largely of rape fantasy) has among the lowest rape rates in the world.

The number of rape cases in the US is 20 times that of Japan.

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Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

Just to make sure people don't assume that number doesn't mean anything, the US has about 309 million people, Japan has about 127 million.  So the per capita rate of rape cases would be more than 8 times higher in the states.

Assuming vellocet's number is accurate.

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Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

Which I assume it isn't, since there seems to be quite the culture about not reporting those things in.

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

Yes, because unlike Japan, all rape victims come forward in America. 

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Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

I didn't say that, now did I? I simply think the percentage in Japan is worse than that of the USA. Wouldn't know about all of America, that's a rather big continent you're talking about, wouldn't surprise me if some countries in it have a worse report percentage than Japan.

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

You have no idea what the non-report precentage is in either the US or Japan.  You just draw conclusions off of your own opinions, and that's the worst way to do anything.  You need solid evidence or you're just talking out your ass, which isn't exactly a good habit.  Since you can't provide evidence to the contrary other than what you think may or may not be, we have to go with what we know, the reported rapes are less in Japan than America (the US).

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I once had a dream about God. In it, he was looking down upon the planet and the havoc we recked and he said unto us, "Damn Kids get off my lawn!"

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

What an easy scapegoat... You don't like the number? The way they were collected isn't good. You like them? Look at those numbers, they prove my point. Right now, those are the best numbers and 8 time is a huge discrepancy. Also, the first poster didn't specify 20 times more total or 20 times per capita, because if it was that one, then the discrepancy is even bigger.

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

I'm not sure why you're talking about the size of the discrepancy, since I didn't talk about that. And I don't trust numbers whether I like them or not, so don't take out your dislike about stuff like that on me when you know nothing about me. That's an attitude befitting a general rant, not a reply on someone when you don't know shit about him. All I meant is that my personal assumption is that the percentage of reported rapes vs rapes in Japan is lower than that of the USA.

 

Oh and as for per capita, I did a quick search, and it's 17x per capita, so roughly 20x.

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

“No one should play a game where the only way to win is to rape.”

I guess this game is okay, since it's unwinnable. in both endings, your character gets killed by one of the victims

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The most important is not to win, but take part of it.

*banhamered*

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Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

do the characters ever look over 18 in anime?

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

Yes, of course.

 

Andrew Eisen

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Lies and deciet.

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Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

I noticed this story yesterday and pointed it out on the shoutbox. The only good thing about this story is the other half of the debate that was missing. And the last line in the entire article.

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

"The interactive games step closer and closer to reality..." Really?  So as some point they will step into reality, and the player will have commited a crime?  How is that possible?

I agree the games are in poor taste, but come on, there is no crime here.  I've shot thousands of US and UK soldiers dead in MW2.  As games "step closer and closer to reality", will I be arrested for murder?

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

It must have really been a slow news day at CNN because not noly did they dredge this up they ran the piece several times yesterday. I caught it late in the afternoon after I'd already seen it online.

 

 

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Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

My nephew commented "what a dumbasses, if they didn't talk about the game, nobody would know about it!" after I explained exactly what RapeLay's real availability was.

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

Well, a many say, ig you would just SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT IT, the game would fall back into obscurity and we coudl all move on.

This is 25 to Life all over again.

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

That's not how you get ratings, though.


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Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

Some good ol' damnatio memoriae would be good right about now. Ignore something like a game, and it will die out.

 

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Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

 It's a self fulfilling prophecy; they can say the popularity is rising because they insist on advertising it.

But I must congratulate CNN on having the most neutral report on the game so far. They actually have people on both sides of the issue and showed and gameplay footage as well as giving mention to genitals being censored.

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

The idiocy continues.

Rapelay hard to defend? No more than any other ultra violent game.  Remove the sex from Bien-Aime's comment and you have one of the basic arguments use by many violent game opponents like Jack Thompson.  It's no more valid for Rapelay than it was for ManHunt or GTA etc.

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

Disagree.  I think rape fantasy occupies a particularly icky end of the spectrum that goes beyond GTA's tongue-in-cheek over-the-top violence and Manhunt's torture porn.

By all accounts, it's also not actually a very good game.  GTA can stand on its acclaimed and influential gameplay and say it's not just there for shock value.  (Manhunt not so much, I'll grant.)

I'll defend developers' rights to make games like RapeLay, publishers' rights to publish them, and retailers' rights to sell them to adult customers who have the right to play them.  But that's about as tepid as a defense can get and still be called a defense.  It's a pretty odious game.  Whereas GTA is more in the tradition of entertainment like Scarface or Pulp Fiction.

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

So Rapelay would be easier to defend if it were more fun to play?

Is that really what you believe? The entertainment you get from something is how much protection it should have?

Makes sense when you consider the amount of celebrities that don't go to prison for major offenses.

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I defend neo-Nazi's rights to free speech and free expression, but that doesn't mean that I like them in the least. They offer nothing to the table, but I still must defend them, as a supporter of liberty. Yeah, it'd be easier to openly support them if they weren't so hateful, but that doesn't mean that I don't support them now, as it is.

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That poor dead horse.

Re: RapeLay Resurfaces on CNN

I am not sure that anything beyond a DNA test would idenitfy that as a horse at this stage....

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"a CNN story which attempts to paint a picture of the game’s rising viral popularity"

Huh.  And assuming such viral popularity actually existed, where could it have possibly come from?  I mean, it's such an obscure game.  It's almost as if there were some sort of outlet that had brought it to everyone's attention.

...anyway.  Neil Gaiman had a post last year on the subject of lolicon where he stated that if you're going to support free speech, you have to defend things you think are indefensible.  RapeLay falls into that category.  By all means, restrict its sale to minors; if you're a publisher, don't publish games like it, if you're a seller, don't sell it, and if you're a developer...for God's sake I don't know what was going through the devs' heads and don't want to.

I'm glad the thing's not published in the US, I'm glad Amazon pulled it from third-party sales.  And I'm not glad that it exists.  But it's a fantasy, no matter how sick a fantasy it may be, and it's not really hurting anyone.  So I can't condone calls for a full-on ban.

 
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