Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

April 1, 2010 -

Grand Theft Childhood co-author Dr. Cheryl Olson appeared yesterday on CNN Prime News in order to bring a little grounding to the network’s coverage of the game RapeLay.

Anchor Mike Galanos introduces the piece with a dire tone, saying, “Parents, we’ve got to warn you about this videogame, because your kids could get their hands on it,” before bringing in Dr. Olson. Galanos asks Olson about how easy it would be for a kid to download the game.

In answering, Olson puts some of the onus on CNN for their sensationalistic coverage of RapeLay, “One of my concerns is that kids generally never hear about this stuff unless it gets this kind of publicity.”

Olson mentions the Grand Theft Auto “Hot Coffee” mod, which went under the radar until politicians and the media drew attention to it.

Galanos then turns to violent games in general, asking, “What does this do to our kids?” Olson responded:

We’ve had concerns about media violence and content ever since the paperback novel and the gangster film.” Citing her own research, Olson continued, “We found it’s normal for boys to play these games once in a while and pretty much everything we worry about—violence and crime—is down, rather than up. Now this doesn’t mean an individual child could not be badly affected…

Galanos interjects with “It’s moderation right Cheryl? It’s gotta be moderation.”  To which Olson answers, “Yes. We don’t want in this country, censorship, where someone’s trying to figure out well, what’s violent, what’s not, what can my kids see, and going down that slope... That’s not the American way.”

Olson ended the show with some advice for parents, which drew a “Yep,” and “Well put” from Galanos:

Get the game system, the computer, the TV and the cell phone (at night), out of the kids bedroom. If you’ve got that in a common area of the house, you can walk by and see what’s going on…


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Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

the controversy seems to have reached Sweden now

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/recensioner/article6888198.ab

 

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Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

http://townhall.com/columnists/BrentBozell/2010/04/02/rape_games

 

Another news report about this bloody game. Poor dead horse, people just want to keep beating it.

Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

It's refreshing to see someone with some common sense.

Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

Just last week I read, for the first time, Jack Cole's "Murder, Morphine and Me" -- a comic that was exhibit A in the Senate hearings on comic books, best remembered for a shocking panel where a junkie is about to stab a woman in the eye with a needle.

That's the sort of thing that led to the creation of the Comics Code, which severely restricted what comics were allowed to do for decades.  It was a long time before the world saw anything like "Murder, Morphine and Me" again.

And you know what?  That's a damn shame.  It's a great story -- beautifully drawn, fast-paced, with believable characters and sincere drama.  Sure, it's got its faults -- ethnic stereotypes, a predictable twist ending, and overly-earnest afterschool-special moralizing that's incongruous with its adult violence -- but it's very effective and well-told.  The industry should have incouraged MORE stories like it, not fewer.

(Of course, in practice "more like this" means "crappy imitations that mimic the violence without the soul of the original work" -- see the 20 years or so of grim-n-gritty nonsense that followed Watchmen -- but that's a separate rant.)

RapeLay is, of course, no "Murder, Morphine and Me", but I think GTA has a reasonable claim to its legacy.  Fortunately, in this industry and in this century, the publishers have circled the wagons and stood up for one another rather than impose a code that just so happens to put their most profitable competitors out of business.  I have my issues with the rating system, but on the whole it's worked out well.  And it DOES keep the most objectionable games off the market -- you'll never find the likes of RapeLay from a major US publisher or distributor.

Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

Far as I heard the comic book industy STILL hasn't fully recovered from those days, which makes me double glad the game industry hasn't caved as a whole. It scares the industry into takign far fewer chances.

Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

And yet there are people out there that want all media to be the equivalent of Archie Comics. They try it with TV, Film, Video games, Comics, everything. One that comes to mind very easily is the PTC.

There really is no reason why all media should be dumbed down to be suitable for children, because not all media is created with children as the target audiences.

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Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

I literally HATE the cable news networks for peddling this and calling it news, the same goes for Broadcast television, which i believe the FCC should Take the spectrum and use it for a Broadband plan as a result

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

“One of my concerns is that kids generally never hear about this stuff unless it gets this kind of publicity.”

She just miss to say: "you idiots"...

Illusion Soft should make another Rapelay just to take advantage of all the free publicity they are getting with this game.

 

Kudos for Dr. Olson. She should have her own show.

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Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

Actually, they should make a "revenge" game with a female(s) rapist(s) and men and boys vitms.

Then, be very, very public about its release and see how many of those same individuals, organizations, and government officals raise a stink over it.

Or if they start recommending it as the height of "erotic" gameplay.

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Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

Actually, that´s also a variant on some hentai mangas. It´s not very popular, but it does exists.

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Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

They already did that last summer with Yuusha Kara wa Nigerare Nai/You Can't Escape From The Heroine. Not so surprisingly no one was angered by female heroes raping the poor devil king Healthy Tarou.

Japan is already full of stuff involving females and males raping men and boys, but why would the feminist care about that?

Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

Rapelay is the only game that people in the west have heard of. There are plenty of other dodgy pornographic titles that would kick up a fuss in the west if we had heard of them, but I don't think people are going to be researching them. They've found Rapelay and that's good enough, no need to find any more titles like it.

Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

Heh, and as a playon words call it RevengeLay, one of the females from the previous game getting revenge on males and not caring who it is or if they were connected.

Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

"Illusion Soft should make another Rapelay just to take advantage of all the free publicity they are getting with this game."

Except that it's not sold in the States, where it's getting all the free publicity.

Though there's been some movement against manga depicting sexual violence in Japan lately.

Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

They can always sell it online.

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Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

You say there's this horrifically deplorable game out there that you absolutely don't want me to play?  It's called Rapelay?  It's easily available online?

Sweet!  I'm going to check this out right now!  Thanks CNN and everyone else who overreacts to and draws attention to stuff I otherwise never would have heard of!

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

Hahaha, ditto.

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Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

wow....actually research and common sense...damn...I'm surprised.

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Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

Ahem....WHY IS THIS GAME STILL GETTING ATTENTION!?

Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

Because all the news care about is ratings and nothing gets ratings like sex and violence.

Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

Mike Galanos is such a blowhard. Earlier he was complaining about the fake Scarface School Play, employing the same kind of practiced outrage he always uses in order to rile up his audience. It's a shame what passes for journalism these days.

Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

Ahh yes, CNN's favorite tactic when it comes to bashing gamers. Put out a sensationalist story and only after it has been aired multiple times release a more even toned approach to the story as an apology so they can claim they're not biased against gamers.

And they wonder why when they asked the posters here in GP to participate they were treated with skepticism?

Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

Yeah, they sculpt things a little too carefully.

My favoriate tactic of theirs is that they seem to 'balance' the comments on their stories,.. and by balance I mean remove any moderate posts and only keep the two extremes.  I had fun tracking which types of posts got removed for a while there.

Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

When it all comes down to the point its the parents responsiblility to take care of there children.

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Re: Dr. Olson Brings Some Reasoning to RapeLay Hysteria

Good job Dr. Cheryl Olson, interject a little reason in to the argument. This stuff is Parenting 101 but apparently CNN and their listeners needed to hear it because the nanny-state arguments were starting to hit a fevered pitch.

 
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Andrew EisenDidn't word that well. Busy at work. I've seen people claim that GamerGate is solely about ethics and transparency in games journalism and then go on to show that what they're really after is silencing those who talk about gender issues in games.09/18/2014 - 11:45pm
Kronodebate. Becaus apparently people who only post on Reddit are supposed to police twitter before they're allowed to question anything about the people involved.09/18/2014 - 10:40pm
KronoI highly doubt many, if any are using journalistic integrity as a cover for harassment. The people harassing are essentially trolls. They aren't interested in subtle. More often it's othe other way around. People use "but X is being harassed" to shut down09/18/2014 - 10:38pm
Andrew EisenAnd exacerbating everything is the fact that all the cries of ethics violations have been obnoxious and easily proven false.09/18/2014 - 8:59pm
Andrew EisenProblem is, I would imagine, the sheer number of people who are using journalistic integrity as a cover for their harassing actions or only bringing it up on the false pretense of journalistic integrity.09/18/2014 - 8:47pm
Andrew EisenHaving said that, I can certainly see how one would be frustrated if they truly just wanted to talk about journalistic integrity and someone said they were one of the people harassing Sarkeesian, Quinn and others (though I've seen no examples of that).09/18/2014 - 8:44pm
KronoThat's been the common refrain, that talk of journalism ethics is just an excuse to harass people.09/18/2014 - 8:44pm
KronoLines like "like a partial compromise with the howling trolls who’ve latched onto ‘ethics’ as the latest flag in their onslaught against evolution and inclusion." are taring everyone questioning the ethics as a harasser.09/18/2014 - 8:43pm
Andrew EisenKrono - Except, none of the articles were talking about gamers complaining about journalist ethics, let alone called them white male misogynists. They were talking about the gamers who were harassing others.09/18/2014 - 8:36pm
Kronomakes plenty of sense. It's rather hard to dismiss someone as a white guy running a sock puppet when they've posted proof they're a woman, or black, or another minority.09/18/2014 - 8:32pm
Kronothat any critics of journalists were white guys that hated women, and could be dismissed as such. It seems to have helped some. It's kind of difficult to maintain the white guy narrative in the face of a bunch of women and non-white guys. So the tag09/18/2014 - 8:32pm
Kronothat, someone vented on a #gamergate 4chan thread about being dismissed like that. The suggestion they got in return was to organize their own hashtag in response, with #NotYourShield being suggested. Thus the tag came into use to combat the undercurrent09/18/2014 - 8:32pm
Kronomuch more general problem. And while several of the articles were fairly tame, they spured a bunch of people to dismiss any critics of the journalism involved as misogynistic men. Usually with insults aimed at the geek stereotype. After about a week of09/18/2014 - 8:32pm
Andrew EisenSleaker - Not sure what that has to do with anything but yeah, the gender percentages differ depending on how the study defines what a gamer is.09/18/2014 - 8:32pm
KronoThe rhetoric pushed by the spearheading articles that the "gamers" complaining about journalist ethics were just angry white male misogynists, insulted a lot of people that were previously fairly neutral. It made it go from a Kotaku problem, to a09/18/2014 - 8:31pm
Krono@Andrew I'm not surprised overlap exists. I expect much of it is a rush to jump on the bandwagon, either by reporting on the original articles, or rushing out their own. The point is that was a major flashpoint, much bigger than the reddit mass deletion.09/18/2014 - 8:31pm
Sleaker@AE - well the gamer trend was described with stats on Factual Femenist. Only 1 in 7 males plays games 20+ hrs going into college vs 1 in 40 females. So gaming is definitely still male dominated despite fake stats trying to say otherwise.09/18/2014 - 8:30pm
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