Ruh-Rau: New SA AG Doesn’t Back R18+ After All

April 12, 2010 -

Despite previous inferences to the contrary, new South Australian Attorney General John Rau (pictured) is denying that he is for the addition of an R18+ videogame rating category.

Rau’s implied backing of an adult videogame rating Down Under came via a Tweet from Gamers4Croydon President Chris Prior, who said Rau was “a supporter” of R18+. Speaking to GameSpot however, Rau stated that, “I have no preconceptions about this issue and intend to listen to the arguments.”

Rau added, “I can neither support nor wisely argue against a position if I am not aware of the relevant factors.”

As we have repeatedly warned, the decision to add R18+ is not Rau’s alone to make; it would require the unanimous consent of all state, territory and federal Attorney Generals. Given, though, that the man Rau replaced—Michael Atkinson—was consistently identified as the lone holdout against adding the adult videogame rating category, gamers were right to feel positive about getting finally getting a new rating category. This news may temper that feeling of unbridled optimism a bit.


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Re: Ruh-Rau: New SA AG Doesn’t Back R18+ After All

Rau added, “I can neither support nor wisely argue against a position if I am not aware of the relevant factors.”

I can see why he said this. B/c he just coming into this position of a new attorney general in AU & needs to see both sides of the argument before he makes a decision if he supports the R18+ rating category.

 

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Frankly I'm happy to hear him say that, I'd sooner have someone in power who waits to be informed of all sides before making a decision.

If I was being cynical, I'd suspect he's waiting to get a firm handle on which way the wind blows before comitting himself so he doesn't look like a fool

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Lets hope they listen to more people other than those who have written in the discussion paper,

We all know well that Craig Anderson will try to ruin things for us by providing false information.

So we should at least hope that people like Tanya Byron and also the people who wrote the book, Grand Theft Childhood: The REAL Surprising truth about Violent Videogames and kids, would at least step up and help us Aussies out a bit.

For every anti gamer person who comes from America to try and stop the R18+ rating for Computer Games in Australia, there should at least be a person from America who has done more better and accurate research to let Aussie politicians know that there are some real fakers and scare mongerers within this debate too.

 

Also I hope they read at least many of the letters in the Discussion paper, like mine...I think I written in about how the need for a 100% yes vote to support any change to the Classification System seems to be against what true Democracy in Australia is all about. And how we need to have a system that goes by a state by state issue, such as for those AGs who don't want an R18+ rating in their state they don't have to, but at the same time allowing those who do want an R18+ rating in their state to be able to do so without the unaminus agreement of all the other states and territories...

 

I think that is the best way to sum up my argument, like not talking specificly about the R18+ debate but how it is really unrealistic that all of the AGs have to 100% agree before any real change can happen.

 

 

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Re: Ruh-Rau: New SA AG Doesn’t Back R18+ After All

I doubt anything will happen rapidly surrounding this but if we have people who can view and assess the evidence impartially, then we're ahead of where we were.

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That's a good thing.  Any RATIONAL person who listens to the arguments cannot come out with any other conclusion than to support empowering parents and adults to make decisions to protect children and themselves.

 

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First, let me say that I generally agree with your opinion on supporting an R18 category.

However, I seriously disagree that all people who don't think like us are being irrational. That kind of thinking is exactly what Atkinson was sporting.

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They're not irrational, they're just ill informed (and/or willfully ignorant) and aren't thinking with a more objective mind.

  Games = Kids Toy

  18+ Games = Kids SEX Toy! OMFGWTFBBQ!!!

What they don't understand because most haven't bothered to look is that the adult rated games from overseas are being classified too LOW here because we have nothing higher and so their position is actively enforcing the diametric opposite of their desired goal.

 

Actually, now that I write it that way, they DO sound irrational...

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Problem is, anti game type people will likely ramp up efforts to sway him, so we can't count any birds yet.

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*nods* and anti-gamers tend to have bettern political connectsion to older groups and thus their argument will pretty much come down to 'want to make friends with people who hold the power? do as we suggest'

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Okay, come on people.  He's not saying he doesn't back an R18+ rating.  He's saying "I'm not fully informed on this matter, therefore I can't make a decision at this time."  If that's really the case, good on him for not jumping to conclusions without being informed.

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Exactly as I stated above. At least he wants to listen to both sides than just silence who he doesn't agree with.

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Re: Ruh-Rau: New SA AG Doesn’t Back R18+ After All

At least he's willing to listen to it instead of just trying to silence those for it.

And as I remember it, Atkinson was the ONLY AG holding his ground against the R18, the others were for it.

Re: Ruh-Rau: New SA AG Doesn’t Back R18+ After All

Unfortunately, 2 others backed down a bit, prolly due to politics hanging over their heads.

Re: Ruh-Rau: New SA AG Doesn’t Back R18+ After All

That, or since they needed to be absolutely unanimous there was no point.

 
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