RapeLay Coverage Hits Home for Teen Girl

April 23, 2010 -

While we often make light of reactions to RapeLay from the media and politicians, the recent reemergence of the game into the spotlight has caused a 14-year old victim of sexual assault to come out and publicly denounce the title.

Well-meaning teen Elena Lyons contacted Charleston, South Carolina’s News 2 in order to voice her concerns over the game, saying, “This game is wrong.  It needs to be stopped.  No game like this should ever be put out there. Rape is not a joke.  People seem to think that it is.  They don’t take it seriously, but rape isn’t a joke. It is very hurtful.”

Lyons, who says she was sexually assaulted by a non-family member at age eight, has started an online petition against the game and is organizing a walk that she hopes will stop the game.

Unfortunately, short of destroying all the tubes that comprise the Internet, there’s not much that can be done about the availability of RapeLay, perhaps someone should have told Lyons that.


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Hmm both this follow up and the original story were pulled from the site, maybe it's standard practice to remove stories after so many days or someone saw the comments that made the station look like total idiots and deleted them. >_>

 

Not like it matters since this story is off the front page and on its way to the grave yard.

 

 

EDIT: D'oh meant to say this in the "rebuttle" post...

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I agree that the RapeLay coverage is getting very, very old. That being said, this maybe one of the most disgusting comment threads on this site. You honestly think that this girl is decrying against this game because she's just an attention grabber? That she's faking it? Are you people fucking kidding me? Yeah, she was misinformed about the entire game [just like the rest of us are quite frankly] but goddamn you all are acting like she's some damn criminial or something. Look, whether you lot like it or not, people will find the game deplorable. No, that doesn't mean the game should be banned forever, but stop acting like it's the end of civilization just because someone dares to say that the game is offensive on many levels, because quite frankly it is.

Having the freedom to express yourself doesn't free yourself from being criticized. You can write your own book about explicit sex scenes, but don't throw a tantrum if you discover that there's people out there that may discourages others to buy it--whatever that reason may be. It could because of the offensive material, or it could be because the book is just plain crap regardless of offensive content.

Sometimes, as a gamer myself, I really wonder if it's really worth defending the medium when it seems like the majority of it are full of immature, selfish little brats that aren't even capable of any kind of empathy or common sense. It's getting harder and harder everyday to defend a hobby that's full of morons.

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Congrats on being a hypocrite!

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Petition has been taking down, wondering if someone told her that the only way to get the game is pirating or ordering it through other means. Even then once it gets on the internet there is NO way of banning this game short of resetting the damn system and even then no one will do that over something as trivial as this.

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ebaumsworld raided it pretty badly.  That's what you get for allowing multiple signatures from 1 IP address

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What about all these girls who lie about being raped just to get attention, but the wrong kind when they get arrested?

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So she's piggybacking on the sensationalism against a game that was released two years after her assault? It may sound mean but I question this.

I also doubt the game is meant to be a "joke". There's plenty of rape fetishism in pornography, I just wonder why its more outrageous in a foreign game than in our own porn industry. 

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is RapeLay even a game? I mean really! just cause it has CG doesnt make it a game

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No, it's interactive hardcore pornography.

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I wonder if victims of murder would be offended at me playing GTA? Is my playing of GTA insensitive to the crime of murder?

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I know of a friend who was raped in college and she had to quit her course because of it, but what is more important is to help the victim so they can move on and live a more positive life no matter how awful her life experience was.

And I don't think that Rapelay was ever responsible for the real rape in real life,

What the game does is to fully recognise that rape exists in REAL society and it has been like that for a long time, almost as long as wars have been around.

Trying to bann the game will never stop rape in real life, yet people who buy the information from the news never seem to realize this.

 

I feel that all this pressure to bann the game is often the wrong thing for people to do, looks like they are trying to avoid even aknowlaging that real rape is here in real life, and yet when a videogame/book/movie/TV show and other mediums remind them of this fact, they want to bann the mediums all because they can't aknowlage that there is nothing they can do in real life.

 

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They'll say, "you can't joke about rape. Rape's not funny."
I say, "fuck you, I think it's hilarious. How do you like that?"
I can prove to you that rape is funny. Picture Porky Pig raping Elmer Fudd.
See, hey why do you think they call him "Porky," eh?
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Here are we -- and yonder yawns the universe.
Here are we -- and yonder yawns the universe.

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You know just because it's featured in media does not mean people will take it less serioulsy IRL.

Take murder, you'll find it in stories dating back to Shakespeare and Ancient Greece. It's in every medium and yet it's one of the few crimes you can be put to death for in the US. Everyone takes murder seriously.

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 Ironicly, this same damn debate was going on with Shakespear at the time.. that it trivialized violence/sin, that people watching it were sick, that it was pandering to the vulnerable, or encouraging people to commit crimes.

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"They don’t take it seriously, but rape isn’t a joke."

Must resist urge to make rape joke... gah!

I think this should be a great time to mention that being a victim doesn't suddenly give you more knowledge on the effects of these games nor does it make your side more moral.

And the game needs to be stopped? First of all as stated before nothing you can do is gonig to stop it sort of very drastic measures. Secondly if you would stop bringing attention to it the game would sit in some obscure place on the internet and not a lot of people would see it.

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Nappa: Vegeta, what is the name of that Japanese soft drink that has a hentai reference?

Vegeta: It's called TENTACLE GRAPE!!!!

 

Ok, jokes aside, I don't think rape is a joke at all, but I do appreciate how many works of anime/manga and hentai games do try and cover that sort of topic because they don't support rape but they do make a stand and try to talk about it though a medium that Japanese understand well even though the rest of the world is suffering from a massive culture shock.

And second, I think that she only found a youtube video of the rapelay game but I don't think she has ever downloaded the game at all.

It is also rather pathetic, how they try to use a girl who has been raped, and because they can't do anything about the real rape in real life, they instead vent their fustrations to have a game banned...

Makes me feel rather pathetic how people believe that they could change the world around them by banning things that other people enjoy, it is allot like those rock concerts that say "make poverty history" and say "Thank you all, we have made a difference" when in reality nothing has ever changed at all.

 

 

TBoneTony

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I can't beleive ****ing ignorant idiots ARE STILL talking about this damn thing.... >_< Nevermind the fact that it's already illegal to possess or distribute in the US.

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The big problem with Rapelay is the misinformation around it and how it affect us as gamers. Now the hysteria points that "gamers condone rape" just because this game exists. For they, video games industry are one and sole organization.

They don´t recognize it (and they don´t want even to look) as a group of companies which sale their products to a great number of markets (teen, kids, adults, casuals, etc.), countries, age groups and others.

For them, Rapelay is just the next Grand Theft Auto with rape in it.

They don´t see the difference between Rapelay or Manhunt, even when both games were created in different countries, for different markets and different public and different plataforms and for different porpouses.

Manhunt (I haven´t played it) is a game created to progress from point A to Z with violence ans the main character. Rapelay (I´ve played it for a couple of weeks) is just for masturbation. Sadly

Ironically, Rapelay has become on the wet dream for persons like Jack Thompson, Leland Yee, Keith Vaz and Michael Atkinson. They already have a game that is enterily questionable for its content and that nobody can´t defend straight, because sex is still the Great Satan of modern society. Not just rape is evil, also is sex. And not so many people will defend a "rape" game.

Like I said before, I think this game will be used against us. They already have "evidence" against games. And they don´t have to prove a damn thing.

I´m agree that Rapelay is an awful game. But even in Japan, Rapelay is unique. There is not signs of that Illusion Soft want to create a sequel (even before all this media fiasco). There are more chances that they will be making Sexy Beach 4 (or 5?) than making another rape game. Even when thousands of eroges and graphic novels with rape being produced in Japan by year, there are not many games like Rapelay, and for the things we are living now, it looks like it won´t be another game like that for a while.

Ironically, I think the game was even that popular in Japan. We really don´t know how reacted the japanese market with this game. Maybe the game had just a few sales and japanese public prefered another erogame with still images to keep execising their no-mouse hand (lol).

In some forums the interest was so big that they created patches to alter the content of the game (english and german patches, clothes patches, etc.). But then, other games with more "light" content like Artificial Girl and Schoolmate (all by Illusion) and Rapelay was left behind. Until now the media decide to beat the horse over 9000 times.

Damn, even me want to download it again.

One thing that critics will never recognize (excluding the fact they just hate sex) is that people with consume porn are as normal at they are. The vast majority of them will never commit a crime. Even when rape games are so popular in Japan, I don´t think that the entire male public buying this class of material a rapists on training, as many critics will love to believe.

Meanwhile, in Xalapa, Veracruz, Mexico, we got two catholic priests accused of the rape of real children running free on their congregations. Beautiful, isn´t?

 

 

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"Meanwhile, in Xalapa, Veracruz, Mexico, we got two catholic priests accused of the rape of real children running free on their congregations. Beautiful, isn´t?"

 

Yes...it is also ironic how most of the time the Pope seems to condem people who don't believe in religion for being sinners and going to hell, however when his own ministers are raping young children in their care the Pope turns a blind eye saying "We need to silence these children for the good of our church"

 

I think it is really hypocritical, for all society, to try and ban a game that has rape in it, or fictional rape, and not even have a look or even aknowlage at the long history of rape in REAL LIFE!!!!

 

 

 

TBoneTony

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Now, when did the Pope say that? Please, quote him. Cause this kind of thing is starting to annoy me. For that matter, quote when he said that anything about specific people going to hell, or anyone for that matter.

 

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 Something that is very important to many people is the belief that those who commit such crimes are somehow fundementally differnt then themselves.  Watching this moral panic, it has jumped from outsider group to outsider group as people franticly try to define such behavior as not something they could ever do.

I really feel that the stanford prision experiment should be required reading in school...

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Nobody in their right mind wants to play this game.  Also, nobody outside of Japan can legally get it.

The only people interested in this game are politicians, reporters and people who (unfortunately) don't know any better.

And even then, they only want to talk about how horrible it it.

Someone should create a game where you're Hitler.  Release it on the world and then reveal that it was all a hoax.  Actually don't even create it.  Just make a box and a couple of screenshots.  Disseminate it among the politicians and mainstream media and see what happens.  They don't care about games, they care about controversy.  We should give it to them.

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Nobody in their right mind wants to play this game.

That is exactly what politicians want make people to believe. "Gamers are out of their mind, they are dangerous, we must ban this game before our streets get full of rapes".

The core nature of the game is stupid. It shouldn´t exist in first place. But the game went on silence like 5 years and no one was aware of it. People weren´t hurt by this game or for cause of it.

People like this girl believes the game is a mockery. She is offended for a game that I bet you she thinks that you can get this on any WalMart.

People interesed in this game just want to watch porn with anime characters. They are not insane (in the real meaning of the word) or training for rape.

The main problem with this game, as with regular violent games, is people that can´t difference between facts and fiction and that can´t get their facts straight and that they need to lie.

About your idea of a Hitler game, that hoax could be sweet. Someone has to do it to prove the ignorance of the media and politicians.

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I could get behind that Hitler game hoax.

 

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Same here. It'd be a great way to show how little research if any they ever do.

Hell, don't even say what genre it is, leave that to their imaginations.

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The core issue of rape is "power."  Rape victims have something very personal and sensitive taken away from them, their power over their own body.  Forced upon and unable to stop it, they are left feeling powerless, angry, guilty, confused, depressed.  And oftentimes, they have no outlet for their frustration.

Even if this girl can't "stop" Rapelay, even if her petition is pointless, she's found a way fight back against what was done to her, at least symbolically.  It will give her strength even when it fails.  She did "something," she feels some measure of power over herself again.  And can't fault her for that.

And you know what, it's not totally meaningless.  Maybe, just maybe, continued outcry against such games might discourage some from being made in the future.  Not all of it, but some.  And that's the Power of Free Speech.  Yeah, you can say whatever the fuck you want, and if someone doesn't like it, they can disagree as loudly and vehemently as possible.  Becuase that's their right.  Just as people can go down the local KKK rally and drown out those son's of bitches with shouting until they leave early, people can make all the damn fuss they want about how aweful they think "rape as a gameplay element" is.  I honestly agree, I think it's horrible.  But instead of thinking we need legislation against it, I think we should give public opinion a shot.  The more people make it clear that they don't want something, the more likely companies won't bother releasing it.  It's not the perfect solution, but Free Speech is never perfect.

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Again, the REAL issue of Rape and the fictional depictation of any act are two seperate issues.

Debating whether the REAL act of Rape is right or wrong is irrelevant to discussing whether fictional material is good or bad.  Only people who have a difficulty in telling the difference between REALITY and FICTION would mix the two.

Additionally, attempting to claim that a demand to deprive other individuals of their Freedom of Expression is actually Freedom of Expression in itself is also misleading.

Any individual may offer their own opinion as to whether they like or dislike any product or aspect, small or large, of a product.  But they do NOT have the Right, falsely identifying as their own Freedom of Expression, to deprive ANY other individual of THEIR Right to Freedom of Expression.  Those who dislike the product are NOT forced in any way, shape, or form to partake in the material.  Therefore, no Rights are denied them.  However, their efforts to deprive other citizens of their Rights is a violation of Human Rights and Freedom of Expression Rights.

Really, I can and HAVE gone much further in the comparison and contrasting of these issues.  I have no problem doing so again.

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This is exactly the type of coping that leads abused to become abusers.  "I feel powerless, I need to get power, oh look I found someone no one (important) will protect, now I feel powerful".  Sure it is unlikly she will do any real harm with this move, but you never know when someone will get a taste of negative power and then seek more.  The entire 'gateway' concept except  in this case it actually does happen and is well documented.

So yes, I can fault her for it.   She is no differnt then any other hurting person who decices to take her pain out on others.  It is the same basic pattern that resulted in all those young boys from broken homes going out and beating up homeless people or the more extreme example of people who kill prosttutes.   Those who feel powerless tend to seek people that mainstream sociaty will not protect, and then hurt them.

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She's free to complain about the game and its developers as loudly as she wants, and also to petition the government for the game to be banned. So long as it can under no circumstances actually result in the game being banned by the government, there's nothing particularly wrong with that.

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I wonder if she know that more people than every before would be playing this game because of her.

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Oh, look. The use of a victim as an illogical appeal to emotion. I mean, if she were somehow a victim because of Rapelay or some similar game, that would be one thing. But being a victim of rape means nothing in this case.

 

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SO for the sake of victoms everywhere fiction shall be regulatied and censored no to offend anyone EVERYWHERE!

 

Or just nuke the world....its more or less the same......


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When I think about it, this is actually an interesting example of objectification of women, but not the type the girl is thinking.

When one looks at the history of moral panics, it is almost always women's groups, and esp 'victim' women who make up the poster children and shock troops of the movement.  They are not leading from behind, that is usually a bunch of dumpy white guys who are profiting,.. but these women's groups always make up the front line soldiers.

Why this is, is an interesting question.. but I think what can be inferred is that these groups are being used because of their PR value, taken advantage of essentially.  I would actually consider this behavior far worse then the sexual objectification you see in media.  At least in sexual objectification the woman is the owner of her own object... in this stuff though it reenforces the idea that women's organizations are little more then subserviant tools to be controled by a more traditional (read: male) power. 

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The front line is victims because they and others operate under the delusion that no one will want to seriously attack a victim for fear of looking bad.

Of course it's stupid. In fact I'll set the record straight right now.

Being a vcictim does not let you play by a different set of rules.

You still need evidence to back up claims that these games cause harm.

Being a victim does not make your speculation any more meaningful or likely.

And if you want to ban things solely because they upset you, you're still just as wrong and despicable as any other would be censorship watchdog.

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While we should all abhor the fact that this girl was abused, ultimately her experiences have no bearing on whether this game should or should not exist. Sympathy is not enough reason to ban a game.

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I think rape is a serious issue, I absolutely do, and I can respect this girls opinion however, she clearly does not understand one of the risks that not having such games can cause.

People say "violent video games cause violence" all the time, has anyone stopped to think that they may do the exact opposite? Games which allow us to beat, maim, kill, slaughter, and abuse (sexually, emotionally, or physically) are seen as morally incomprehensible but my argument still remains.

Would you rather the people who enjoy these video games to enjoy the act in a simulation in the "safety" of their home, or would you rather we ban all of these types of games and risk having these same people who used the games as a means of escape actually go out and rape or kill people?

You can scream out on how the games are bad and how everyone plays them has no morals all you like, I like video games because they allow me to do things that I would never do in real-life. I wouldn't play any RapeLay games myself, the concept itself is disturbing, but I play violent video games because yeah, it's fun to just slaughter people sometimes. I know, however, that it's illegal to actually do such activities, and I couldn't just kill someone in cold-blood anyway, if at all.

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 Plenty of people have stopped to think about that, some of them have actually done controlled research and found that yes, escapism DOES help decrease volumes of real life crime.

Which furthers my theory that many people in these movements are hoping the problem gets worse.  The lolicon ban is a good example of this.... the child molester hysteria proponents have no self interest in actually decreasing abuse.... so what better move then to take away one of the possible coping mechanisms that can prevent real life occurances AND be praised for taking action to remove a 'scourge'.   Feed the hysteria, increase real instances, rinse lather repeat. 

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What, exactly, do they have to gain from increasing real instances of rape and violence, aside from "praise"? And furthermore, if such a claim is true, that's just as revolting as the act itself.

Rape isn't something that should be profited on (which is why I absolutely despise these games), it's an absolutely horrendous crime and I've known people who have gone through such an experience, these people would never want anyone to experience the emotional and physical stress they did and, quite honestly, I don't know why you would.

Yes, I think rape games are absolutely disgusting morally, I protect them for I want my own freedom of speech to be protected. To deny RapeLay the ability of freedom of speech is, in my eyes, a hypocritical act, for the victims want to be heard and they want the freedom to say things, but they're not willing to give it.

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 I agree, it is revolting, but it is a recurring pattern.

People build lives and careers 'fighting' problems.  If the scope of the problem (either raw effect, or perceived effect) decrease, then their possition within sociaty also decreases.  If the problem (or hysteria) increases, then their power/status/importance increases regardless of if they have had any positive effect,.. as long as they can present what they did as being positive.  I have watched this basic pattern in several movements and it always turns my stomach.

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Agreed, and lets not forget that people love to be proven "right".

They may say they want to fix the problem but they are so convinced that their way is the right way that they will only accept society being fixed by their methods. If any other method is tried, they will fight it tooth and nail, claiming it won't work and point out again that their way is the right way. When something different than their own method is tried they not only expect it to fail, they deep down WANT it to fail just to be proven right. Deep down they WANT to see methods to prevent tragedies fail and see people get hurt just so they can say "see!? you should have listened to me!"

This is the reason why so many studies on game violence has been flawed; the scientist involved often have a preconceived notion of what they believe to be right and thus are really just trying to prove their point instead of discovering the truth. You see this a lot in partisan politics to be sure.

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I never thought of that before to be honest, but now that I do, certain people in certain fields would have an interest in manufacturing moral panics to try to keep demand for their services or increase it. Sort of liek how medical companies don't really cure anything, they just help you live with it.

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I can see Leland Yee using Rapelay to futher his agenda.

 

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sorry if this is insensitive but going after this piece of fictional media instead of the real thing invalidates her cause in my book.

And part of why rape is hardly taken seriously are all the false reports as well as idiots claimign the victim enticed the attacker.

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Too bad one can't report the petition for providing false and fraudulent information.

As has repeatedly been mentioned, the game is NOT available for legal sale outside of the developing country.  It's distribution elsewhere has been through illegal or used copy means.

Additionally, we have yet another agendist who is incapable of telling the difference between FICTION and REALITY.

What happened to her in REALITY has NOTHING to do with the content of any fictional based game, movie, song, book, or other material.

There are MANY things individuals are exposed to that can be linked to direct harm to others who aren't directly exposed to that material.  Many of those things are more directly responsible for educating and training others to act, in the REAL world, harmfully towards others.  If we followed her, and other's, agenda even religion, as a whole, would be banned outright or at least treated the same as "adult" material in an effort to protect children from direct or indirect harm.

This is where the Stevens case was a contrast to the video games issue.  Video games, violent or otherwise, are, execpt in a few very rare cases, based in the Fictional genre.  The Stevens case involved recorded material surrounding actual, non-fictional events.  Far closer to a documentary, using non-staged, non-fictional, REAL participants.

Whether she has been manipulated by other Anti-Human Rights/Anti-Freedom Of Expression individuals or organizations is irrelevant.  In the end, she is clearly incapable of telling the difference between REALITY and FICTION and is attempting to lie to and deceive others to obtain support to deprive others of their Human Right to Freedom of Expression.

Here is the source article:

http://www2.counton2.com/cbd/news/local/article/sexual_assault_survivor_protests_video_game/131181/

And apparently a follow up:

http://www2.counton2.com/cbd/news/local/article/gamers_speak_out_about_teenefforts_to_ban_rape_video_game/131541/

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The follow up made my /facepalm harder than the original story.... >_<

Nevermind the ignorance in the comments aside from yours...

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An "expert" on gaming believed Rapelay to have an M-rating? Does the guy himself even know what he was talking about?

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Okay, that's a nice symbolic gesture and all, and I don't mean to make light of her ordeal, but goddamnit people!  What the hell is wrong with you all?  You're not accomplishing a single thing by petitioning against this particular game!  Do you not understand that it isn't currently, was never, and will never be available here?  That it exists outside the ability of yourselves to do anything about it?  Damnit, between this and the South Park Muhammad crap, I am so disallusioned about the human race...

Re: RapeLay Coverage Hits Home for Teen Girl

Reality does not matter.  

Effectiveness does not matter.  

She does not need to accomplish anything.  

What matters is that she now gets to hurt 'bad' people and be praised for it.  Not only that, but she now gets to be part of a wider hysteria, and joiners tend to like that kind of stuff, esp when they are hurting.   Receiving positive feedback for taking out your hurt on others via authority figures.. that is a powerful psychological element for a victim.

Re: RapeLay Coverage Hits Home for Teen Girl

I don´t like to critizice a woman who suffered something that perhaps is the worst thing to do to another human being, but I have to say you are right. She is playing the victim and she will get attention for it.

And of course, I don´t think that her attacker were "influenced" by Rapelay. Or banning Rapelay will do nothing for any victim of rape.

Sadly, she is just a ignorant person. I feel sorry for her.

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