Yin/Yang: Good Points of R4 Carts

May 17, 2010 -

Nintendo has stepped up its crackdown on R4 flashcarts as of late, with its latest lawsuit target being NXPGame of Queens, New York.

While the R4 chips can certainly be used to play pirated games on Nintendo’s handhelds, a post on Tiny Cartridge.com points out some of the ways that the flashcarts can improve a gamer’s experience.

Among them:

  • Homemade games and applications
  • Homebrew media player Moonshell is arguably a MUCH better music application than the DSi’s built-in player
  • Play videos, view images, and display text tiles
  • Customize and create your own top-level menu interface
  • For non-DSi owners, you can adjust the brightness and soft-reset without restarting your system

The author does go out of his way to state that he does not endorse piracy and that he understands “why Nintendo dismisses them as illegal game copiers and wants to erase them from the market.”
He continues:

I’m arguing that flashcarts offer value beyond playing illegal copies of games. I just wish there was a way for these devices to exist and provide these features, without stingy gamers abusing them for piracy and cutting studios off from their hard-earned paychecks.

Additional benefits that flashcards can supply include: “Store several back-up files on a single flashcart, so you don’t need to carry multiple carts with you, apply translation patches to games you’ve imported but don’t understand, copy save files to your PC, play GBA games on a DSi or DSi XL and apply codes or hacks, like this rad cheat that lets you play Mario Kart DS with a Taito paddle.


Image from this bizarre video. Thanks Andrew!


Comments

Re: Yin/Yang: Good Points of R4 Carts

Kind of hard to look at the legal side when the stores thats selling the R4 is telling people how to pirate games with the flash cart.

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

Re: Yin/Yang: Good Points of R4 Carts

Would have helped if a store selling them warned agaisnt piracy. Sadly that's not the case here.

Re: Yin/Yang: Good Points of R4 Carts

Satire-laden, but still I think it's the best take on all you people who think piracy is somehow a good thing and your god-given right:

http://www.destructoid.com/ten-golden-rules-of-videogame-piracy-100961.phtml

Re: Yin/Yang: Good Points of R4 Carts

I do not believe in absolute fascist copy right rules nor zero tolerance laws. The fact is the war on piracy is the sameas the  pitiful and misplaced war on drugs. Copyright should be protected however non commercial infringement where not one penny is made from the trade or disruption of the copyrighted item is a right that should be protected as much as the right for the copyright owner to make an exclusive profit off it.

 

Now you cross the line and make anything without a license the criminal penalties for that should be similar to the penalties for drug trafficking.

 

 


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Re: Yin/Yang: Good Points of R4 Carts

Shouldn't matter.

Computers and the internet can be used to pirate all sorts of goodies, ranging from music to movies, and video games, so why isn't the usage of computers or the internet illegal?

-- Randi Tastix

Re: Yin/Yang: Good Points of R4 Carts

Its easier to blackball small manufacturers and their devices than blackball the big boys and their blank media,recording devices and internet.....


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Re: Yin/Yang: Good Points of R4 Carts

Seriously?  Does anybody truly believe that the majority of R4 users are playing and creating homebrews?  Anyone who thinks the vast majority of the people buying these things are not using it for piracy is a fool. 

Hell, look at the homebrew/indie scene on the PC or dead consoles (like the Jag).  The size of the indie/homebrew scene on these "open" (at least by comparison) platforms is tiny compared to the general user.  Are we to believe now that this aspect of gaming is somehow MORE vieable (sp?) on the DS because of all the altruistic souls who buy an R4?

As positive as the homebrew scene may be, to pretend the R4 isn't used primarily as a piracy device is just plain wrong.  It actually hurts my head when people try to pretend otherwise.

People. Want. Free. Shit.

Re: Yin/Yang: Good Points of R4 Carts

THe problem with modcips,cracks ect is the same for guns, guns are made to put holes in things some can say they are  bad and should be banned but we still have a right to them. Mods and cracks are the same in that they are legal(quasi legal at best thanks to the unconstitutional DMCA) and we have a right to them regardless of what the manufactures think.

 

Also via patents and following the illicit distribution of copyrighted goods you will marginalize as much damage as you realistically can. It dose us no good if our rights are lessened in order for a well profiting business sector to have a fatter bottom......


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Re: Yin/Yang: Good Points of R4 Carts

You are honestly saying the "homebrew/indie" scene on the PC is small? Where have you been? The FOSS movement is the largest "homebrew/indie" movement in the history of the World. Almost every piece of paid for consumer software has a FOSS alternative. Indie games come out in hundreds every month.

Is there a smaller homebrew/indie scene on handhelds? Yes. That does not mean that they do not exist. Game Park Holdings in one of the most popular Open Handheld companies out there. But their market share is still microscopic compared to the market share of the DS or even the PSP. The R4 and other Flash carts are the tool used by this Homebrew/indie scene to gain a larger market share.

Just because a tool can be used for piracy does not give a corporation the right to stamp out the rights of smaller businesses. This was made clear in the Betamax ruling. (http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/EphriamKnight/20091116/3544/Of_Betamax_an...)

Even if it were deemed that home-use recording of copyrighted material constituted infringement, the Betamax could still legally be used to record noncopyrighted material or material whose owners consented to the copying. An injunction would deprive the public of the ability to use the Betamax for this noninfringing off-the-air recording.

To further illustrate the issue of making Flash Carts illegal:

Whatever the future percentage of legal versus illegal home-use recording might be, an injunction which seeks to deprive the public of the very tool or article of commerce capable of some noninfringing use would be an extremely harsh remedy, as well as one unprecedented in copyright law.

Both Quotes come Directly from the Supreme Court. It is a shame that our current government is so bought by the media industries that they are willing to trample the rights of consumers and smaller copyright owners.

To be honest, I really wish these Homebrew groups would come together to sue Nintendo for infringing their rights to distribute their legal software. Such a case could really grab public sympathy for these smaller developers and their tools they use.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Yin/Yang: Good Points of R4 Carts

Compared to the size of the PC userbase, the indie scene is tiny. 

Please answer me directly: do you really think that most of the people who use the R4 don't use it to pirate?

Re: Yin/Yang: Good Points of R4 Carts

From what I have seen, no. But as I and the Supreme Court said, it doesn't matter as long as there are Substantial non-infringing uses.

Let me ask you directly, do you think that Nintendo's rights trump my rights as a software developer?

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Yin/Yang: Good Points of R4 Carts

EZK

more like rights as a consumer, as you can not publish for profit anything on a console without a license.


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Yin/Yang: Good Points of R4 Carts

That is incorrect. I can publish and sell software for use on a flash cart wielding DS. Nintendo may not like it, but I can legally do it.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Yin/Yang: Good Points of R4 Carts

EZK the way lisncsing works I doubt you could get away with it if you tried you'd be sued into the ground. I mean why else have we not seen people trying it?


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Yin/Yang: Good Points of R4 Carts

Dose not  matter the device itself should never be black listed on the legal level, the law has no reason to deal with these devices in this fashion. Patents and copyrighted data,ect is more than resonable to handle the spread of these devices.

 

I got a M3 for my DS put acouple of the games I bought on it but mainly I use it as a MP3 player becuse the DS can not be pluged into the TV so I can sit back and enjoy the games, hell not played a game on it in a year.


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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http://zippydsm.deviantart.com/

Re: Yin/Yang: Good Points of R4 Carts

I can't help but think they're (and by extension, you're) preaching to the choir here; you won't find anyone outside the employ of a publishing company who believes that flashcarts are inherently evil and need to be removed from existence to prevent some sort of cosmic disaster (of profits).

The most anti-flashcart person you'll find on sites like these are people who acknowledge that flashcarts have several uses besides piracy but argue (not entirely unreasonably) that more people use them for piracy than for their other uses. Whether or not this is a sufficient justification for these devices to be classified illegal is, of course, the million dollar question. But until that question has a concrete answer, Nintendo will continue to presume their own.

Re: Yin/Yang: Good Points of R4 Carts

Goddamn, I HATE the phrase (preaching to the choir) on this website. There are VERY FEW articles on this site that readers here will disagree with in the first place. Even if it IS "preaching to the choir" there's nothing wrong with finding an eloquent way to express the opinion and provide others with a better way to say it.

Besides, articles like these are made knowing they may not ever be seen by somebody with an opposing view- they make them hoping that there's an off-chance someone from the other side of the issue MAY see it and agree.

Re: Yin/Yang: Good Points of R4 Carts

I think its jsut the upper echlons of the company that have the anti chip/mod/crack mindset, while the rest of company are more normal people who didn't get the brain washing.

 

Had a interesting conversation with 2Ks Elizabeth moderator/staff member. I believe she is/was a high level secretary or something as well.

 Anyway via some forum PM corespondents(I probably wore her out you know me and debating/communication, and I apologized for that to her too ya know....god I am rambling again....). Anyway she did not quite understand the scope of "the community" comments I got flagged for. And during the trade of PMs it was not so much "they" felt they could do anything with piracy but keep hammering at with their zero tolerance on indirect and vague crack,ect and even copyright discussions.

 

I got the feeling that the professional world they live and work in that they can not see the forest for the trees but then again what I know I am a long winded idiot with delusions of grander. 

 

Still all in all it was a good corespondents with 2K a shame they never did fix Bioshock or put The darkness on the PC....


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

---

http://zippydsm.deviantart.com/

Re: Yin/Yang: Good Points of R4 Carts

The R4 may not be a killing tool, but I'll say it's a bit like gun ownership arguments.

There are lots of reasons to own, competitive target shooting, recreational shooting, hunting etc.

But those who argue against it tend to say they are more often use to harm people.

 
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