U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also Weigh In

May 20, 2010 -

United States Intellectual Property Enforcement Czar Coordinator Victoria Espinel authored a blog on the White House website to outline some of the public feedback she has received in regards to assembling an IP enforcement strategy.

Espinel, the first to serve in the newly created position, indicated that she discussed the matter with parties from all walks of life:

I sat down with book publishers, movie studios, music companies, and videogame companies, all of whom are faced with widespread problems resulting from internet piracy.  I heard concerns from many other sectors as well: our airplane industry, small manufacturers, automobile industry, steelworkers, textile manufacturers, and biotech, software, and telecommunication companies.

I also sat down with those who want strong defenses and exceptions to intellectual property liability, including academics across the country, or consumer rights organizations.  I met with Internet companies that organize information and help our citizens find out what they want to know about the world today and connect people around the globe, and Internet auction sites that allow consumers to buy what they want at the price they want, all of which are affected by our enforcement efforts.

Espinel also indicated that the public comment process resulted in some “excellent recommendations” on improving the enforcement of intellectual property, “with some of the best ideas coming from the smallest companies. “

The Entertainment Software Association (ESA) sent in its opinion (PDF), in which it labeled online piracy as a “leading concern of our industry,” and urged granting the U.S. Custom and Border Protection (CBP) more power to inspect and seize “circumvention devices” (products that exist to disable or work around protections).

The ESA also vowed to continue to help CBP as much as possible and asked for the ability to donate “hardware, software, equipment and other technologies and support services in order to assist it to identify suspect devices.”

Meanwhile, another public comment on U.S. IP enforcement, sent in by none other than Gordon Freeman (PDF), stated that, “The copyright laws in this country are already outrageous and I will not support any law that wishes to add additional enforcement, or expansion of copyright laws until the current system is fixed.”

Freeman added:

I feel that the government should update its objectives and start looking for ways to work with businesses to adopt a better model that includes the free sharing of ideas (which is what this country is founded on). If that is not possible, then I request that you look for forms of enforcement that do not go against the consumer, and the rights of consumers, such as, but not only, the ability to backup media that you already own.


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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

...you...don't see any irony at all in naming yourself after Metallica and then writing posts supportive of illegal filesharing, do you.

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Apparently Gordon Freeman lives in Minnesota.  That's rather fascinating...

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

You're damned right he lives here.  We grow 'em badass here.

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"I feel that any alleged losses due to the sharing of files online are negligible in comparison to the record gains from the increase of popularity, free advertisement, and additional sales."

Even if true, that doesn't give you the right to steal other people's stuff.

"I feel that the government should update its objectives and start looking for ways to work with businesses to adopt a better model that includes the free sharing of ideas..."

Sure, as long as you're not stealing other people's stuff.

"I support authors\' rights to own their content, but I also want this to be done in a way that does not impede my ability to use the content that I own in a way of my choosing."

Indeed, as long as you're not stealing other people's stuff.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Get off your high horse Andy. Stop calling copyright infringment theft, for theft to occur someone has to be deprived of property. Copyright is merely a society giving permission to only one person or entity to control the reproduction of a work. If someone reproduces said work they are violating the owner's sole right of reproduction. That is obviously something different than theft. If I go to the library, check out a book and never return it then I have commited theft, as the library no longer has the book. If I check out that same book, photocopy it, then return it, I have comitted no theft but I have violated the orginal publisher's copyright.

People like you use the word theft and steal to characterize the people who break copyright as criminals. Theft carries criminal penalties. Non-commercial copyright violation does not. There is a reason for the difference, theft is a more serious crime than copyright violation.

I agree that people should be able to profit from their creations. I believe we have need for copyright law and copyright enforcement. I just as strongly believe that our current system is flawed, too stacked against the consumer and their rights to fair use, that copyright terms in general are too long, and that the punivtive damages awarded are too strong.

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

"Stop calling copyright infringment theft..."

Because I'm feeling a bit snarky this evening, I'd like to point out that nowhere in the post you've replied to did I call copyright infringement theft.  Ho ho, ha ha, oh I'm so clever.

Having said that, I certainly do consider copyright infringement (specifically referring to illegally downloading a video game, movie, and the like) a form of theft.  Is there a legal distinction between the two?  There may well be but I'm only speaking from a moral standpoint, not a legal one.  My point was that consumer rights (which include making archival backups of media you own) do not outweigh such basic morality as "taking something that doesn't belong to you is wrong."

Now, if you want to differentiate between the theft of a physical object and the, shall we say, illicit acquisition of a digital one, that's fine.  But to me, morally, it all boils down to the same thing and both are equally morally reprehensible.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

I agree. Piracy is wrong, but so is the making illegal of any tool that is needed to apply fair use rights of the media I purchase.

Currently we have the right to make back up copies and format shift our media, but we don't have the right to develop, own or distribute the tools necessary to exercise those rights.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Exactly; the judge in RealNetworks v DVD-CCA even said as much.  It's legal to make a copy of a DVD, it's just not legal to make software to ALLOW you to make a copy.  Joseph Heller couldn't have said it any better.

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

It's not stealing at best its minor infringement of copyright that can not be enforced without taking away more rights and freedoms from the public at greater cost to the goverment. You simply can not enforce distribution( or personal use) when its done out side of any monetary gain without a great price to be paid..look at the war on drugs....it dose not work.....  


Until lobbying is a hanging offense I choose anarchy! CP/IP laws should not effect the daily life of common people! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Taking something that doesn't belong to you is stealing.  Period.  What rights are being taken away?  You don't have the right to steal other people's stuff.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Again, leaving aside the very tired argument of whether infringement is the same as theft, there are in fact a hell of a lot of rights the DMCA has taken away.  I mentioned above that it is illegal to install software to play DVD's under Linux.

Other examples of DRM excesses are legion here on GP.  Ubisoft takes away your right to play a legally-purchased game if you don't have an Internet connection.  Capcom takes away your family members' right to play a game you purchased on the same console.  Nintendo takes away your right to take a downloaded game over to a friend's house.

And that's before you even get into the abuses that have resulted from DMCA takedowns -- a legal process which completely inverts burden of proof and requires that hosting companies take down sites alleged to be infringing until the site owner can provide proof that they aren't.  Essentially, if you say something negative about a company, and provide excerpts from its documents as supporting evidence, that company can claim infringement and get your site taken down and you're the one who has to make the case that the excerpts were fair use.

And "fair use" is the answer to your question, in a nutshell: that's the right that the DMCA attempts to take away.

Your last line is particularly interesting, in a way I don't think you intended it to be: "You don't have the right to steal other people's stuff."  Again ignoring the debate on whether infringement is actually stealing, you're absolutely right: copyright infringement is illegal.  Period.  With or without the DMCA.  The DMCA doesn't make it MORE illegal, it just makes it illegal to circumvent copy protections.  But if you're circumventing copy protections in order to violate copyright, you're ALREADY breaking the law.

So no, the DMCA doesn't take away your right to copyright infringement, because, as you say, there is no such right.  It just takes away your right to circumvent copy protection for LEGITIMATE purposes -- playing DVD's under Linux, ripping Blu-Rays to play on Macs, even something as simple as running a game without the disc in your optical drive.

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

That's all well and good but I wasn't speaking on DRM, DMCA, or fair use.  I was asking how criminalizing stealing is somehow removing our rights.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Your question was "What rights are being taken away?"  I listed several rights that are being taken away.  I'm sorry if you meant it as a philosophical question rather than a literal one.

It's beginning to seem to me that you're not actually interested in discussing US copyright law, just in provoking an argument over whether infringement is the same as theft.  Well, sorry to disappoint, but you'll have to make do with Zippy on that one, because I'm not biting.

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

More completely, my question was asking what rights are being taken away by enforcing laws that prevent you from stealing other people's stuff.  Your response had nothing to do with my post.

I don't mind discussing US Copyright law, it's just not what I was discussing in this particular thread.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

"More completely, my question was asking what rights are being taken away by enforcing laws that prevent you from stealing other people's stuff.  Your response had nothing to do with my post."

Except that I was, you know, listing rights that are taken away by enforcing a law intended to prevent you from stealing other people's stuff.

Again, if you were speaking of some platonic ideal of a law instead of actual US copyright law, then I apologize for misunderstanding.

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

I see where you're going with this and yeah, we're on two different wavelengths.

DMCA makes devices that can be used to steal software illegal.  It does not make stealing software illegal (far as I know).  Still, it does have the intention of preventing software theft but again, that's just not what I was referring to.

I may have misunderstood Zippy but I got the impression that he was saying that simply making it illegal to steal software somehow infringes on consumer rights.  I understand how laws such as the DMCA can infringe on consumer rights in their attempts to prevent theft but again, that's not what I was asking.

That said, it is an interesting subject and one worthy of discussion.  Is theft wrong?  Yes.  Should it be prevented?  Yes.  At the expense of consumer rights?  Absolutely not.  I don't see how making theft wrong infringes on consumer rights but I do see how attempts to prevent theft can do just that.

Hope that clears it up.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

I know you were responding to someone else, but I think we're all on the same page here now.  Thanks again for taking the time to respond and clarify some stuff from earlier.


Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

The problem isn't "criminalizing stealing", the problem is "categorizing fair use backups and other legally-protected consumer rights as stealing and then prosecuting them", I hope this helps you out in the future when you parrot the same tired points over and over again without offering any additional input or logic.


Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Yes, that is a problem but again, it's not what I'm talking about. 

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Please, then, enlighten us - honestly, I respect your opinion, but you haven't been contributing anything except "Stealing is wrong.  Period," and "That's not what I'm talking about".  Clarify your point.  Yes, stealing is wrong, no, with the exception of out-and-out piracy, that's not what anyone is talking about here.  If you honestly think that the DMCA and ACTA don't trample consumer rights, then please explain to me how.


Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

I started this thread.  It's not my fault if other commenters drag in topics I wasn't talking about.  Let's do a little timeline:

-I made a post commenting on Freeman's views on file sharing.

-Zippy chimed in saying that file sharing is not stealing and that it "can not be enforced without taking away more rights and freedoms from the public..."

-I asked what rights were being taken away by enforcing laws that criminalize stealing other people's stuff.

-Thad then replied with a very long post on DMC, DMCA, and fair use.  Related topics to be sure but not what I was discussing.

-And so on.

-And here we are.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Okay, that's fair enough, but several posters also pointed out actual examples of rights that are currently being taken away by the DMCA in an effort to prevent "stealing other people's stuff", and you kind of blew them off.  That's why the DMCA stuff is relevant here, and you still haven't addressed it.

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Probably because he doesn't want to discuss it now.

He seems to rather want to discuss that stealing is wrong and that downloading a movie/game/song/software you did not purchase is stealing as far as the law is concerned.

Other consumer rights are not a part of that discussion.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

One: repeating the same phrases over and over does not qualify as a discussion.

 

Two: Consumers' rights are INHERENTLY part of any discussion of providers' rights.  You can't have one without the other, and indeed, "THIS IS STEALING AND STEALING IS WRONG" is precisely the excuse that both government and industry have been using to infringe on consumers' rights.

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Two things:

1.) Other consumer rights are inherently part of that discussion and to think otherwise is exceptionally silly.

2.) You honestly could've let the man just answer for himself, he was clearly still engaging in the discussion.

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

1) I don't see how consumer rights are tied to the discussion of stealing is wrong and taking something you didn't buy is stealing.

2) I wasn't stopping him from answering.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Stealing is wrong, the status quo punishes people who are not stealing or pirating by any sense of the words in the name of stopping theft, therefore we should not give up more consumer rights in the hopes that stealing will magically disappear.  How is that not relevant?  The DMCA tries to call a lot of things 'stealing' that should be well within consumer rights - the issues are intrinsically connected.  If you're just saying "STEALING IS WRONG" you're not even missing the discussion, you're not even having the discussion.

And no, you weren't stopping him from answering, but you jumped in like some sort of white-knighting superstar when I asked him a question and tried to put words in his mouth.

 

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

I don't see how giving the same answer he has already shared multiple times is "white-knighting" (not sure if the pun was intended or not). I just figured you missed it before.

The DMCA tries to call a lot of things 'stealing' that should be well within consumer rights

Wrong. The DMCA does no such thing. What the DMCA does is make tools that allow for stealing (even if those tools have legitimate uses) illegal in order to stop stealing and provide a method for having infringing material removed from public access easily.

It does not however label fair uses of copyrighted material as stealing.

You are confusing the text of the DMCA with corporations interpretation of the DMCA. Two very different things.

Now before you say anything, I feel that I need to clarify a few things.

I am for fixing the DMCA's language so that fair use rights are not trampled. I am for shortening the length of copyright back to something that actually promotes useful art rather than blocking material from entering the public domain.

I am for backing up your media and using those backups to protect the originals. I am for format shifting your media.

What I am not for is piracy. Piracy as defined as downloading or copying something that you did not legally purchase.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Okay, perhaps I should've phrased it: "The DMCA is often used to attempt to call a lot of things 'stealing' that should be well within consumer rights".  I agree with you on literally every one of your other points, I just honestly am completely flabbergasted that you claimed that the issues of piracy are unrelated to the issues of consumer rights.  I mean, just look at any debate on this site about Ubisoft's DRM or any similar topic - legal purchasers are losing their rights quickly as a casualty in the war against piracy, it's not even a question.

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Okay then. Perhaps you can enlighten me. How do the following three statements challenge or threaten the idea of consumer rights?

Even if true, that doesn't give you the right to steal other people's stuff.

Sure, as long as you're not stealing other people's stuff.

Indeed, as long as you're not stealing other people's stuff.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

"Hello, I'm EZK and I don't understand that conversations can evolve to include more than one topic!  Here, let me show you with a quote from the original post!"

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Ah yes, the ad hominem attack. Glad to know the discussion is over.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Measures ostensibly used to prevent theft trample on consumer rights and yet you somehow don't think that they're relevant in a discussion on copyright violation and piracy.  Actively ignoring everything going on in the thread doesn't count as a "discussion", friend - I hope this helps.

(EDIT: Also, it's nice to see you're up on your high horse about ad-hominem attacks after what you said to poor ol' Zippy up above.)

 

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

(EDIT: Also, it's nice to see you're up on your high horse about ad-hominem attacks after what you said to poor ol' Zippy up above.)

There is a huge difference between ad hominem attacks and taking a playful jab at someone I regularly interact with.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Are you still ignoring my actual point?  Honestly?  You paid attention to the post and responded to the edit, of all things?  Tell me how you don't think consumer rights and piracy prevention are related, I'm still waiting.

 

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

I answered your question by posing another question which you decided to ignore in favor of an ad hominem attack.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Myself and several other posters had answered your question well before you asked.  Again, the discussion has moved past the original post, and I suggest you read the rest of it before making another snide reply.

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

I don't have anything to add here, I just want to see how skinny I can make a post box.


Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Okay, since you're so curious, I feel the DMCA needs to be replaced or at the very least overhauled.  Right idea, wrong execution.  That said, crap as the DMCA may or may not be does not give one the right to steal other people's stuff.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Yes, I feel like you may have mentioned that last point somewhere before....All joking aside though, thanks for taking the time to respond.  I just think that since the DMCA tries to criminalize things that are in no way, shape or form stealing (didn't some guy almost get prosecuted for ripping a CD he bought to his iPod a couple years back?) it's harmful to the entire discussion to just focus on actual piracy and illegal sharing.  Of course that's where this article and this thread started, but then again - it's where the DMCA started as well.  The rights being taken away from the consumer are relevant to the discussion as the opposing viewpoint, not on moral grounds but on logical ones - stealing is wrong, the status quo punishes people who don't necessarily steal, therefore it follows that we shouldn't be giving up more rights in the name of the prevention of theft.

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

His original point had nothing to do with the DMCA or ACTA and how they trample consumer rights. His point was that yes you can fight for consumer rights as long as you don't consider the act of downloading or distributing media you did not purchase as a consumer right.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Ah, yes.  Well, it's certainly hard to champion consumer rights when the opposition keeps shouting "PIRACY IS WRONG, STEALING IS WRONG" over and over while ensuring that consumers have as little control as possible over legally purchased media.

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

What about people like Zippy, who believe that IP owners shouldn't have any control whatsoever over the dissemination of their creations?  According to him, as long as people aren't making any money, filesharing of protected media should be allowed without recourse, and to hell with the people who created said media.

Whether you like it or not, creators have rights, too, and their rights are trampled on just as much as consumers, if not moreso, yet every time someone even thinks of a way to try and protect them, too many people jump off a cliff with cries of "piracy isn't that bad," or "you're just trying to hold down the consumer," or even "they deserve what they get, because I don't like that company."  Those of us here on GP who don't agree with piracy have said many times we'd like to see a middle ground, but those of you here on GP who believe that file sharing is okay will never agree to that.  That point has been proven to me by Zip many times, by him never addressing the inherent flaws of his "idea to fix fair use" and by him never addressing my ideas to make file sharing legal, free, and still get IP owners paid for their work.

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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

It's funny, because I never read anything outlined in the Constitution of the United States of America that says anyone can do any of what's listed in your second paragraph.  Also, the examples you list in your last paragraph are completely unnecessary, save the last one.  Want to play a DVD?  How about you use your DVD player?  Can't play a Blu-Ray on a Mac? Get a PC.

Those aren't "rights that have been taken away."  Those were features that have been removed.  Big difference.

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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

"It's funny, because I never read anything outlined in the Constitution of the United States of America that says anyone can do any of what's listed in your second paragraph."

Did you read the part that says that just because something isn't explicitly listed in the Constitution doesn't mean it's not a right?

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

Ninth Amendment.  Look it up.  It's right between the eighth and the tenth.

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

I also note that it doesn't say that you can just make rights up, either...

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Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Nice moving the goalposts.  Trouble is, there ARE quite a lot of other rights explicitly enumerated in state and federal law.  Copyright law explicitly allows for the making of a backup copy of a piece of software -- the DMCA undercuts that right by illegalizing the development of software that would MAKE such a backup.  As I mentioned elsewhere in the thread, the judge in the recent RealDVD case said as much -- users have the right to a backup, but developers don't have the right to create software that would make such a backup.  In so many words, the DMCA infringes on users' rights.

That's not the only right that the anti-circumvention clause infringes on, of course.  There's the right to reproduce portions of a work for educational purposes, or purpose of review.  There's the right to reverse-engineer for purposes of interoperability -- even the DMCA allows for that exception, though it sets tight conditions on it.

As for your suggestion that watching a movie I legally purchased is not a right but a privilege -- honestly that's self-evidently absurd, but I'll humor you with an explanation.  The law recognizes something called implied warranty of fitness for a particular purpose.  When a customer buys a product, there is an understanding that he will be able to use that product for some known purpose.  If you buy a DVD, it is generally understood that you intend to watch the movie on it, not use it as footwear.  So yes, if you buy a movie, you have the right to watch that movie.  It is a right.  It's not a feature, any more than it's a feature when a hammer drives a nail into a board or a light switch turns a light on and off; it's a product doing the thing it is supposed to do.

It's the same thing with games.  If you purchase a game, you purchase it with the understanding that it will run on a computer that meets the system requirements printed on the box.  If your computer meets those specs, you have the right to play that game; if the publisher artificially prevents you from doing so, it has violated that right.

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Don't get bent out of shape here .Zippy just hasn't reached that point in his life where he knows right from wrong. He is still a child in many ways and will probably be that way for a while.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

Jesus, is this how you represent the ECA? With such condescending remarks and belittling someone b/c you don't like what they have to say? You're the one who sounds like a child.

Re: U.S. IP Chief Offers Update, ESA & Gordon Freeman Also ...

"With such condescending remarks and belittling someone b/c you don't like what they have to say?"

A rather odd thing for you to criticize considering your other remarks in this very same article.

 

Andrew Eisen

 
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MechaTama31Of course, I'm looking at these tweets in isolation, I don't know a thing about the guy.10/19/2014 - 7:06pm
MechaTama31If anything, the sarcastic implication seems to be that the SJW crowd is bringing back the bullying of nerds. But it's the GGers who are out for his blood? I'm lost...10/19/2014 - 7:01pm
MechaTama31I don't really get this Sam Biddle thing. The reaction to his tweets seems to be taking them at face value, but... they're tongue in cheek. Right?10/19/2014 - 7:00pm
Andrew EisenI have it. The problem, so far as I can tell, is neither of them allow me to overlay my webcam feed or text links to my Extra-Life fundraising page.10/19/2014 - 4:08pm
quiknkoldand yes, its free10/19/2014 - 4:05pm
quiknkoldshould grab Hauppauge capture. has mic support and can upload directly to youtube10/19/2014 - 4:05pm
Andrew EisenThe former.10/19/2014 - 4:00pm
quiknkoldwas it StreamEez, or the StreamEez feature in Hauppauge Capture? cause I know Capture has alot more support from the devs.10/19/2014 - 3:54pm
Andrew EisenI actually tried StreamEez last week. Flat out didn't work.10/19/2014 - 3:53pm
quiknkoldI use the Hauppauge Capture software's StreamEez. Arcsoft showbiz for recording. I just streamed a few hours of Persona 4 Golden with zero problem using the program. Xsplit is finniky when it comes to Hauppauge10/19/2014 - 3:40pm
Andrew EisenTrying to capture console games and broadcast with Open Broadcaster System because I've had technical difficulties using XSplit 3 weeks in a row.10/19/2014 - 3:37pm
quiknkoldand what are you trying to capture?10/19/2014 - 3:31pm
 

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