Valve Hardware Survey Says: Macs are Better

June 10, 2010 -

Are you a Mac or PC? Do you use Steam? Well the results of Valve’s annual hardware survey reveal that some Apple models outgun Windows-based PCs in a number of areas. While a majority of Windows PCs have 2GB or 3GB of memory, 53 percent of Macs sport 4GB of RAM. The survey also found that 17 percent of Windows PCs used a single CPU, while over 90 percent of Macs running Steam utilized a dual-core. As for internet connectivity, 65 percent of Mac gamers reported download speeds over 2Mbit compared to under half of Windows PCs.

But PC gamers shouldn't feel too bad because in one of the most important areas for gaming - graphics cards - Mac computers were found to be severely lacking; 32.5 percent of Macs featured decent graphics capabilities, while the top six Windows GPUs reported were all found to be capable of handling most games.

Source: Engadget

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"The survey also found that 17 percent of Windows PCs used a single CPU, while over 90 percent of Macs running Steam utilized a dual-core."

This is why statistics are considered worse than "damn lies". The proper way to compare those two numbers would be 83% of windows PCs and "over" 90% of macs have at least a dual core, not in the sneaky, mac-biased way they are presented in the "article".

"As for internet connectivity, 65 percent of Mac gamers reported download speeds over 2Mbit compared to under half of Windows PCs."

Could someone explain to me how internet download speeds have anything to with if you're on a PC or mac?

 

Seriously GP, even when you don't have any actual news to post, please don't post pointless misleading fluff like this pile of shit pretending it's an article.

Re: Valve Hardware Survey Says: Macs are Better

I have something else to add to the list of ways in which this article misses the point:

The survey does not say or even suggest or even approach the assertion that Macs are "better". What we are looking at is data about the computers on which Steam users log into Steam. It correctly points out that only a small proportion of Macs connected to Steam have gaming-quality graphics cards, but most of them have good components otherwise.

It's just data. It's not a benchmark.

Re: Valve Hardware Survey Says: Macs are Better

Well what about pc users that have Intel or AMD?

 

 

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Re: Valve Hardware Survey Says: Macs are Better

Why the hell is this article tagged as "Win"? This is not win. This is far from win. Lying about this kind of crap does not constitute as a "win".

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Screw that! I have a Mac. I have a PC. I devellop for both. Those kind of cultish wars only help divide and disminish our work. We've worked long and hard, some to make one system look better, others to make game compatible accross or easily portable, other to allow disk formats and file format to be easily read by both. Mac honnestly do wonderfully strong and capable machines, yet a home made PC can cost you a fraction of that cost in pieces. In time, however, we may get to a middle point. No matter. This fanboyish article and a few of those comments help no one on the long run.

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"In time, we may get to a middle point."

Steve Jobs would never allow that.

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Re: Valve Hardware Survey Says: Macs are Better

i agree, ive not once seen or heard of an apple product that even hints at anything beyond totalitarian proprietorship, short of some 1337 h4x if you pardon my leet.

sidenote: wasnt this same elitist stubborness the same thing that led to apple getting intothe perdicament it did in the mid/late 90's (to the point that M$ had gained at least 90% of the OS market)?  i could be wrong.

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You are, but only to a point. It was the fact Microsoft was LESS locking, going to the point of designing OS and software so that they could easily interoperate with others that brought them ahead (!), coupled with the terrible quality of mac during the clone war (not star wars) and a lack of market share to begin with without something to bring new clients.

Also, it's ridiculous to assume Apple don't want convergence, and while they won't tout it, it's obvious by their actions: Intel processor, single bit switch to test for proprietary Apple product on OS install, inter-readability of files and disks, Bootcamp, all of those are recent choices by the company pointing to a convergence. Add to this a greater price range in the Mac families than ever before...

Re: Valve Hardware Survey Says: Macs are Better

The fact that valves stats are done on a percentage base, means that you cannot compare them in this fashion. The fact that more PC's are in circulation can not be used to say that Mac's are better. Thats like saying that because a larger percent of people who buy spam like it, than mac & cheese it is better.

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Re: Valve Hardware Survey Says: Macs are Better

now what about the fact that PC's have many many more to base from than the Macs?

did they balance for that stat?

 

and agreed to the above, GP has gone to the crapper lately.

Re: Valve Hardware Survey Says: Macs are Better

The quality of the hardware has nothing to do with the quality of the Operating System. Mac's run no better than PC's if all you're comparing is the hardware. That and it's so ambiguous, what version of the Mac and Windows are we even talking about?

Take two computers with the latest NVIDIA or ATI graphics card, stick 4gb of RAM in and then shove a quad-core CPU down it's throat. Now install the latest Mac OS in one, and Windows 7 in the other. Do benchmarks on all the latest games, then tell me what ones better. That's called a fucking test.

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Someone has. Windows came out ahead.

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So what if a Mac as faster cpu and ram,its still not as good as a pc with identical hardware specs, not to mention more expensive.

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Ehehehe, BULLSHIT!!!!

I read a different article where an independant source tested this one two machines with more or less identical hardware and while it wasn't too much fo a difference, the one running Mac OS was still inferior

I wonder how much Apple paid for these results, and wors,e how many will be smug on TF2 due to playing on a mac.

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Considering my new 'WORK' laptop has a quad core i7 processor, 16 gigs RAM, a tb of hard drive space, and dual graphics card, I don't have to take any shit from the Mac owners.

In a related note, has anyone noticed how owning a Mac has taken on an almost cultish tinge?  There's a website out there that a friend showed me the other day, and it's basically a dating site for individuals who love mac products and have decided that of all the other criteria (education, intelligence, looks, money, profession, religion, political leaning, etc.) that one can use to determine whom to date, they'd rather date based upon Mac ownership.  I don't remember the website, but I swear I'm not making this up.

When you define yourself solely by what you buy, you're showing a very ugly side of consumerism.

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Conversly, I have been watching the anti-mac crowd become more cultish over the years too.  There seems to be an almost religious zeal to demonize anyone who has left the one and true way.

Re: Valve Hardware Survey Says: Macs are Better

That's a type of site you don't WANT to remember.

 

And my own PC is below those specs, but at least I can change them if so desired.

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Exactly.  At least my home desktop computer is easily upgradeable, and my laptop can be upgraded too, with a bit of work or sending it to certain shops.  On the other hand, the Mac is not made to be upgraded, and especially not in the comfort of one's own home. 

Re: Valve Hardware Survey Says: Macs are Better

Selection bias.

This is drawing far more conclusions than the data actually allows.

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There's also the fact that the MacOS doesn't do as well on benchmarks even with identical hardware.  I think that's liable to change as Mac gaming becomes more popular (and Steam is the chief harbinger of that), but for now, graphics acceleration on OSX isn't up to DirectX standards.

(And lest anyone think I'm a Microsoft shill, I run Linux on a Mac -- not an MS fan at all.  But numbers don't lie.)

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On Steam's official news feed it was stated a test was done with two machines with identical hardware specs, but one was running Mac OS and the other Windows 7. windows 7 did far better.

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shit article is shit.  seriously, even the source's website's user base is calling bullshit.  im really under the impression that new gp is either trying too hard or not trying at all, more likely the latter.

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No, that is not what the article says at all. What the article really says is that Mac's come default with more RAM and more CPU cores and the VIDEO CARD it shipped with (that can never be upgraded) than older PC's (still in use after many years) have.

Look I like both PC's and Macs but this article is using "damn lies" to interpret Valve "statistics."

For the gamer willing to spend as much on a gaming PC as they did on any Mac you could buy a white box PC that is TWICE the power of any Mac made currently.

schadenfreude!!!!

Re: Valve Hardware Survey Says: Macs are Better

 Not so sure about that... i recall a friend of mine(who knows computers WAY better than i do) once looking at the specs for a mac and comparing what it cost to make a PC of similar power  and the price came out to being about the same... however i also recall he did point out that you could build a PC that is somewhat less powerful at a much cheaper price (cheap enough that it makes it a stronger value since you normally don't NEED the highest level of power to play games and what-not)

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I dunno about any mac. The top end macs have some pretty spectacular hardware, and it's not as bad as it used to be to upgrade one since they don't have exclusive hardware anymore. Unless you mean that for the cost of one of those macs you can easily have two similarly specced PCs, in which case you're pretty much spot on unless you bought an Alienware. Even then, for the price of a top end mac, you get an Alienware with an unreasonably large RAID array and more dual layer DVD burners than any mortal human has a use for.

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@Compared to a quality gaming PC? Sorry but there is just no SLI/Crossfire for Mac's, Apple looses in a big way right there. My own personal gaming system is Quad ATI 5870's. Memory speeds on macs are pittiful as well. Any quality gaming system runs at least DDR3 1600 and potentially up to DDR3 2200. I truly don't mean to argue with you but there is no comparison in this facet. Mac's can't compete with their closed hardware platform. The interpretation of these Steam stats is just wrong.

Re: Valve Hardware Survey Says: Macs are Better

 This is politics related how?

I think GP really needs to start cutting back on the fluff.    I have been seeing more stories and shorter discussions lately and I am not sure it is a good thing.

Re: Valve Hardware Survey Says: Macs are Better

I'm just going on record saying that the new 'writers' and honchos here at Gamepolitics seem to be less serious journalists and more corporate shills.

Re: Valve Hardware Survey Says: Macs are Better

You love corporate shills though don't you?  Capitalism Capitalism! Rah Rah Rah!

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Re: Valve Hardware Survey Says: Macs are Better

Thanks for your meager contribution to the discussion.

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I wasn't contributing to the discussion.  I was mocking a capitalist conservative teabagger.  IE you. I wouldn't waste my breath anyways.  I know how conservatives are, and I don't really feel like straining my vocal cords to yell up at you in your ivory tower.

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Re: Valve Hardware Survey Says: Macs are Better

It's so funny to me that you bitch about capitalism, while at the same time enjoying its benefits.  Hypocrite.

Re: Valve Hardware Survey Says: Macs are Better

Enjoying it's benefits?  Yeah, I'm enjoying the "benefits" of capitalism like slaves enjoyed the "benefits" of slavery.  Imagine capitalism to be like a pyramid of people.  The further on the bottom, or frankly on the bottom that you are the harder the person's knees above you dig into your back.

I make minimum wage, and most of the time I come home I want to blow my fucking brains out all over the wallpaper.  So do NOT tell me I'm reaping any kind of benefits capitalist.

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Re: Valve Hardware Survey Says: Macs are Better

When's the last time you were without electricity?  When's the last time that you didn't have access to the internet?  When's the last time you didn't get to play your video games? When's the last time that you lived anything like people in a third world country live?

Go cry in the corner you jackass.

 

Re: Valve Hardware Survey Says: Macs are Better

Because only capitalist nations have electricity.

So do NOT assume that I am benefiting from capitalism.  Capitalism benefits from people like me.  People like Donald Trump and Warren Buffet get what they want, and I die used up in a corner.

You know when you think about it though Jeffery Dahmer really was the ultimate capitalist.  Get what you want out of someone, you dump what is rest of them out.  You live because they don't, have a nice day.

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Re: Valve Hardware Survey Says: Macs are Better

AL, you know how it is with libs.

This surprises you, how?

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Re: Valve Hardware Survey Says: Macs are Better

Not only that, the article is misleading as it is. I'm not in the mood to rant today like I usually do but I think the articles substance and Steam's own numbers speak for themselves. But what is going on with GP? Ever since Dennis stepped down, things ain't been the best :S GP even has gone so far as to blatantly post Press Releases without the courtesy of mentioning them as such and call it news? Come on.

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