Music Producer Condemns Music, Games for Impact on Kids

August 11, 2010 -

Musician and record producer Mike Stock lashed out against the current state of pop music, stating that the “industry has gone too far” as it serves up “soft pornography” to children.

Stock, perhaps best-known as one member of a trio of songwriters and producers known as Stock Aitken Waterman, which produced and wrote songs for an impressive list of musical acts ranging from Elton John to Judas Priest to Bananarama, saved some of his blame for videogames, stating:

Before children even step into school, they have all these images. The pop videos and computer games like Grand Theft Auto confronting them, and the parents can't control it. Talking to mothers' groups, they were saying that even they have lost faith in brands like Disney.

As noted by Adelaide Now however, Stock’s comments appeared, coincidentally, just after a children’s musical he wrote—The Go!Go!Go! Show—opened in London's West End.


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Re: Music Producer Condemns Music, Games for Impact on Kids

Talking to mothers' groups, they were saying that even they have lost faith in brands like Disney.

And I´m very sure that many other mothers´ groups valorate Disney as a faithful brand. The old "get off of my lawn" argument again.

Also: Twilight, Jonas Brothers and Justin Beiber IS softporn for 13 years old girls.

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"Also: Twilight, Jonas Brothers and Justin Beiber IS softporn for 13 years old girls."

Once again I ask.  Do we really care if Justin Bieber, Twilight, and the Jonas Brothers are being called the downfall of the youth? 

I think the argument should be "get off my lawn till you ($%^ing get taste in music."  Not simply "Get off my lawn."

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"Parent said it about Elvis and rock & roll. They said it about Michael Jackson (although there actually was a real danger to children), they said it about hip-hop and they say it about the music today. It's nothing new."

If its being overly played on a Top 40 station let the BS assumptions continue.  The children won't be missing anything. 

Re: Music Producer Condemns Music, Games for Impact on Kids

This guy needs to watch South Park, I was in 5th grade when that started and it more or less was real.

Children aren't all innocent, most of us swore enough that you would think we were sailors on leave.

Re: Music Producer Condemns Music, Games for Impact on Kids

This is just simply the typical "it's not like how it was in my age" response and the "these kids today" response.

Parent said it about Elvis and rock & roll. They said it about Michael Jackson (although there actually was a real danger to children), they said it about hip-hop and they say it about the music today. It's nothing new.

Re: Music Producer Condemns Music, Games for Impact on Kids

Did this guy scream it from his porch while sitting in his rocking chair waving his cane about?

And are we on his lawn?

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Re: Music Producer Condemns Music, Games for Impact on Kids

The guy who wrote "Venus" for Bananarama is surprised that pop music has become softcore porn.  Right.

Should I get off your lawn now, old man?

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Re: Music Producer Condemns Music, Games for Impact on Kids

Funny how we constantly hear condemnation for media that is made up of totally ficticious content, models, stories, etc, but when it comes to the promotion of child molestation using REAL, LIVING individuals, even when the story behind it is fictional, we cheer it on, promoting it even further.

In case you're wondering what I'm talking about, Google the news about "Elle Magazine" and "The Graduate".  With all the other entertainment news outlets promoting the photo shoot, almost no one is point out the fact that the original "The Graduate" involved a man who was almost 21 years old, but the Elle photo shoot involves a male is is 16, legally a minor.

Even Rapelay used totally fictional characters and models, along with a totally fiction story and content.

Where is the worldwide outrage at Elle, Kim, and the entertainment news outlets who are promoting Elle Magazine's activities?  Someone call the UN!  They didn't mind getting involved with Rapelay!  How about condemning advocation of child molestation by Elle Magazine?

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Re: Music Producer Condemns Music, Games for Impact on Kids

16 isn't a minor in most places.

In the UK 16 is legal, in the US many states have 16 as the Age of Consent, some have it even lower.

Infact I think it's only 2 or 3 states that have it at 18, we only think of 18 as being the AoC because California is one of those states, and thus it seeps into the media produced there alot.

Also, there's the fact it's a male and not a female.

It's a double standard, but a 16 year old boy having sex with an older woman is generally seen as a 'win' for the boy (so long as the older woman is attractive).

A man having sex with a 16 year old girl however (Even if that's the AoC in the area) is seen as wrong though.

 

For proof of this fact, just look up any of the 'female teacher has sex with student' stories of the past few years, the women are treated like victims, while any male teachers who do the same thing are greeted with torches and pitchforks.

 

Re: Music Producer Condemns Music, Games for Impact on Kids

in Rapelay's case, the thin story was that a politician's son was arrested and his dad used his connections to get him out of jail. my guess is that it hit close to home for many real politicians

I can't believe it took me this long to realize that the title was a portmanteau of 'rape' and 'replay'

岩「hey Glenn Beck, I heard you oppose Net Neutrality, so we blocked your site.」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Music Producer Condemns Music, Games for Impact on Kids

I would just like to point out that this man is one of the writters responsable for the RickRoll.

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Err before then they are raised by their parents, talk about a disconnection from reality....


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Re: Music Producer Condemns Music, Games for Impact on Kids

If anything GTA uses intelligent humor to make fun of the pop overload.

 

However the pop overload I compltely agree with. It's not just videos either.

An example.

Little girl: Mommy I wants a Bratz doll.

Mother: Which one?

Little girle: The one that looks like me.

Mother: Well you don't look like a two dollar whore.

Re: Music Producer Condemns Music, Games for Impact on Kids

Parent's WON'T control it. They can control the kids not playing GTA. The full exposure to pop videos, however, is a different story.

 
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