Ex-Cop Lectures on How Media is Killing Kids

September 21, 2010 -

In delivering a presentation on the threats modern media poses to youngsters, a retired Maine police officer said about the entertainment industry, “They don’t care what happens to your child.”

Dan Frazell (pictured) now travels extensively giving similar presentations on the subject of “How the Media is Killing Our Children,” which is also the MIA-like URL of his personal website. According to the Chronicle Herald, Frazell uses his talks to warn about the perils (for kids) of social media sites like Facebook and MySpace, lists websites that show users how to beat drug tests or evade police searches and shows sexually-charged and/or violent scenes from shows like South Park and various music videos.

Frazell, in giving his talk to a group of Nova Scotia Police Association members, also played a clip from Grand Theft Auto IV, saying about the game, “In a 42-second clip, nine police officers were killed in a game to entertain children. Every two and a half days a cop gets killed in America trying to help someone, and we give kids a game (like this).”

In a talk given earlier this year, Frazell said about games, “Video games are more influential than TV because they’re engaging and interactive. You are in control. Violent behavior is good and they receive a reward.”

While encouraging parents to monitor their children’s media activities, Frazell made the claim that “Young people have 40 per cent more natural chemicals in their bodies that make them feel good when excited.”

Don Hussher, Police Chief of the Nova Scotia town of Westville, added, “It’s the future. The days of the hula hoop are gone.”


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As reported by the Bangor Daily News:

"It was while out on the dance floor at a D.A.R.E. dance, surrounded by 11- and 12-year-olds, that Frazell first opened his ears to the music his students were listening to, and what he heard disturbed him."

The song that caused Mr Frazell's ear-opening? Salt-n-Pepa's "Shoop" ("Shoop, shoop-a-doop, shoop-a-doop, shoop-a-doopie-doopie-doop" (repeated ad nauseum)). Huh?

Perhaps Mr. Frazell misheard the lyrics of that particular piece of bubble-gum rap. It took me about a month or so to figure out that the lyric of another Salt-n-Pepa song was actually "push it real good" and not "pussy real good."

 

 

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That sounds like someone who hasn't listened ot music since the 60s.

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Well, although I'm baffled by his speech, I'm even more baffled by his audience, i.e. the parents who attend his seminar. Especially when I read this article : http://findarticles.com/p/news-articles/bangor-daily-news/mi_8045/is_200...

Same subject, same guy, same kind of seminar, same kind of (totally clueless) audience, and written 4 years ago.

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"THE MEDIA IS KILLING OUR KIDS!"

Actually, I am pretty sure the media isn't. Unless South Park literally leaps off the TV screen and stabs a child to death, I feel your statement is totally without merit.

"Look at all of this stuff! It is violent and horrible and they teach kids to do horrible things."

You are aware that ever single thing you have shown is compatible with the device that plays said media to be blocked due to rating guidelines that the owners (parents) have deemed appropriate?

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"Violent behavior is good and they receive a reward.”

Not in GTA they don't. In fact, the game gets more difficult as police are sent after you in greater numbers with greater firepower and more powerful vehicles.

Is this idiot serious or is it some kind of Borat style hoax? The man has listed as 2 of his 5 testimonials, quotes from "Parent" and "Teacher". I don't think I need to point out how transparent and fake that sounds.

It seems staggering to me that someone who claims such expertise and knowledge about media has such an incredibly amateur seeming website. It looks like something that someone threw together in 10 minutes had they been sat at a computer for the first time and directed to Geocities.

I think this sentence of his breaks some record for the amount of bullshit condensed into a small space though. “In a 42-second clip, nine police officers were killed in a game to entertain children. Every two and a half days a cop gets killed in America trying to help someone, and we give kids a game (like this).”

1. No REAL police officers are killed.

2. These games are not for children's entertainment, just like the Soprano's is not, like Saw, Hostel or any other adult film is, just like the latest Stephen King horror story is not, and just like the latest episode of Sex in the City is not.

3. If you give kids a game like this, then you are some kind of dullard who should not be supervising or looking after kids in the first place. You could quite likely make a simple substitution regarding the nature of media to that sentence and show what a fool this man is.

“In a 42-second clip, nine police officers were killed in a film to entertain children. Every two and a half days a cop gets killed in America trying to help someone, and we give kids a film (like this).”

“In a 42-second clip, nine police officers are described being killed in this rap song to entertain children. Every two and a half days a cop gets killed in America trying to help someone, and we give kids an album (like this).”

“In an 42 paragraph chapter, nine police officers were killed in this novel to entertain children. Every two and a half days a cop gets killed in America trying to help someone, and we give kids a book (like this).”

 

I do like the fact that he points out the main problem of kids playing age-inappropriate games. "we give kids a game (like this)." Yup, that's right buddy, YOU give kids the game. I wouldn't. I'm literate enough to understand the ratings and warnings printed clearly on the box. I'm intelligent enough to look up games on google and see what they are like. I can make an informed decision as to whether or not a game/film/book/album is suitable for my child. I would like to distance myself from the "We" in his statement. From my point of view, it's not "We" who are giving children the games, it's YOU. You, the ignorant masses who see games as a children's toy and are too blind to video games status as a legitimate art form, just like the people who wailed about comics, novels, heavy metal and Elvis. 

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You're giving his argument too much credit. No violent game has ever motivated a child to be violent. Even if he did give GTA IV to a kid, the kid would not turn violent. My daughter has played violent video games since age 5. She's now 7 and a lot sweeter than some of her classmates who don't play violent video games.

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"3. If you give kids a game like this, then you are some kind of dullard who should not be supervising or looking after kids in the first place. You could quite likely make a simple substitution regarding the nature of media to that sentence and show what a fool this man is."

Either media influences people or it doesn't.  If many people on this site argue that games don't train kids to kill, then what's the issue with letting them play games?  Either it influences their actions or it doesn't.

The fact of the matter is, we don't know if it really effects them.  All children (like all people) are different.  This means that something most kids would be fine with, like GTA, a few would take to heart and come away a worse person.  

In the end, it's up to the parents to decide what's suitable for their children.  We say that on this site all the time.  It's probably going to be one of the leading arguments in the upcoming SCOTUS case on Nov 2.  Many gamers really take this to heart: that it's up to the parents to decide what their children are ready to play.  

This leads me to my point.  If we really say that it's up to the parents to decide, yet at the same time many of us are saying things like the above quote, then wouldn't that make us one of the biggest group of self-gratifying hypocrites?  

Either media effects kids or it doesn't.  Either it's up to the parents to decide or it isn't.  If we really believe that it's up to the parents, then we should trust their judgement in what they give their kids and not call them a "dullard who should not be...looking after kids in the first place."  If we really do feel like that, then why shouldn't the government regulate the ratings system put in place with games?

*Just to state where I stand on all this:  I feel that games should not be regulated by the government.  I feel that violent media does not create unsavory behavior among the grand majority of kids (who else played Duke Nukem 3D in grade school?).  I understand the need for a rating system, and if a parent chooses to buy his 3 year old GTA then I'm all for it.

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I wasn't trying to imply that kids shouldn't play the games because there is a danger there. I was addressing the point that is always made that the kids play these games and parents are apparently helpless to do anything about it and that government needs to help.

I don't believe that violent video games are harmful to children. That said, I do feel that some games are inappropriate for younger kids, due to language, themes, etc. I wouldn't let my son play a game full of swearing or sex until he was older, not out of fear of him becoming some kind of reprobate or coming to any harm, but because I'd prefer him not be exposed to that kind of stuff so young. I don't really want questions like "Daddy, what does 'bullshit' mean?" or "Why does that woman have no clothes on?" until he's older :) That's my opinion and following on from that, I take responsibility for ensuring he doesn't play or see that kind of material until he is older.

I should have been a little more clear in my point in the original post. I will amend it to better explain my intended point:

"3. If you don't want your kids to play these games, then that is fine and is your right as a parent. But if you go on to give kids a game like this, let them play then complain that government should do something about it, then you are some kind of dullard who should not be supervising or looking after kids in the first place."

These people cry about how "harmful" games are, but then complain that the children play them, when it's up to them to prevent that in the first place if they so desire. It's like complaining that McDonalds food makes your kids fat and demanding the government do something about it, while still bringing your kids to eat there night after night.

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No problem.  What I talked about is something that has been personally bugging me and my inner debates for quite some time.  I understood that I took your argument to somewhere it wasn't meant to fully go, and I tried to steer away from directly singling you out whenever possible.  I just saw it as a good starting point to express a line of thought that has been troubling me for quite some time.

So, sorry I used you as a sacrificial lamb on the subject.  I totally understand where you're coming from, and actually agree with you in many respects.

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Thank you! I'm getting tired of all the do-gooders on this site telling me how I should raise my kid.

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Yeah I really wish someone out there claiming video games reward bad behavior would at least play a GTA game and notice how the police come after you as you break the law and get on their radar.  They should realize that this realism is there for a reason, to show players real world consequences for their actions in the game as much as possible. 

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Especially GTA4, the police in that are relentless.

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evidently, the ex-cop seems to have forgot that the "police officers" in GTA are not really police officers, what with the reasons being that they are not registered nor do they have badges.

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And are made of polygons and ones and zeroes.

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How suprising! I heard about a video game where players shot cops... it seems the celebrity in the game is doing something recently... hmmmm.... oh yeah, he is govenor or California!

I just got GTAIV. To tell the truth I don't really like it that much, mostly because you don't have a choice when playing it. I'm used to Red Dead Redemption, where you were either a good guy, or you could be a bad guy even though the story would still frame you as a good guy. Perhaps KOTOR where you could actually choose good ro evil. In GTAIV, you have to be bad, you have to shoot the police, you aren't given a choice by the game.

One thing I never find mentioned in the media is the negative portrayal of drug users. Almost everyone you meet is a drug user, and you can see, or they specifically tell you, what problems the drug use is causing. One of the first people I met was a crack addict who was so high he was just giving away his money... later on when you meet him again, you find out what he had to do to get more money, and it wasn't very pretty. The pot smoker says how it slows down his reactions and makes him paranoid, the juicer is obviously messed up in the head. Basically, I just wish they gave me the option of not working for any of them and still being able to move the story along. I would have liked a game where you were really cleaning up the streets.

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I'm starting to feel that this website is no longer a news website, but rather a rally point for angry nerds ready to be instructed on who to send angry letters to next.

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Sure, let's just ignore the massive floods of legal topics in the past few days.

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Mr. Frazell,

I humbly suggest you stick with the lecture topics you know something about.

 

Sincerely,

Andrew Eisen

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But then he would be out of a job.

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I doubt people would pay him to do that....  actually, runing a course on how to scam police organizations out of funds that could be put to better use while making yourself look like a savior... I could see people paying to take that!

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Somehow, I don't think that piece of trash Dave "Forrest Gump lookalike contest winner" Grossman would want that worthless turd infringing on his gimmick, even though both those motards are loons.

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"Media" has always been with us, violence has always been with us and sex has always been with us, there is nothing new under the sun merely how we interpret it every few generations.... moral police become moral panics become moral pandemics as politicians run out of easy thigns to ban to show they are doing something....

 Media is doing nothing to us we a society are hitting a max of good paying jobs and solid civic and educational teaching. We are becoming sheep because its easier to become one than try and fighting it.


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JD

Unless your a semi famous ex president sex is more than just "penetration". ^_~

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"sex has always been with us"

Then how come you've never had any? Other than with non-consenting farm animals?

 

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That was pretty uncalled for.

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No, it wasn't. If you're causing me eye-bleed and brain-rot with deliberate drivel, then you fully deserve whatever you may get from me in response.

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You mad?

(I played eve online once upon a time)

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As a hatter.

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Shut up, just, shut up. I don't even think an explanation is needed. Shut up.

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Ow.  I felt that one over the internet.

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Sigh.

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I am so glad I clicked that link.  That website is gold: 90s AOL-style web design, eight-digit hit counter currently displaying "33", all-caps Comic Sans.  Amazing.

As for the 40% higher rate of all-natural feel-good chemicals, where do they go when we get older?  And is there some way to extract them from our children to cure people with depression?  The claim sounds disturbingly close to the claims of the Super Adventure Club...

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There is also a section called "Nuts & Bolts". I'd say it should just say "Nuts".

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 Frazell, in giving his talk to a group of Nova Scotia Police Association members, also played a clip from Grand Theft Auto IV, saying about the game, “In a 42-second clip, nine police officers were killed in a game to entertain children.

 
Um, last time I checked Grand Theft Auto's intended audience was NOT children.

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Here we go with somoene else thinking EVERY game is a kids game. Saying GTA is a game to "entertain children". Yea let me look at my GTA IV box...yup a big E for everyone on there. *Rolls eyes*

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In my 'hood, we're a lot more scared about gettin' killed by the cops for no good reason than we are about any f___king media. Don't believe me? Ask Manuel Jamines.

Oops, I forgot. Manuel's not fielding any questions right now. He's been a little reticent ever since he got those two LAPD bullets in the head.

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