Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

September 23, 2010 -

An opinion piece in a Fort Meyers, Florida newspaper describes the ability to take on the role of insurgents in the upcoming Electronic Arts game Medal of Honor as games reaching  an “all-time low level.”

Taking a page (or bait?) from UK Defense Secretary Liam Fox, who urged retailers not to sell the title, the author of the News-Press editorial posed a similar challenge to readers:

…we do suggest that Americans at the very least refuse to buy 'Medal of Honor.' We suggest that retailers refuse to stock it. And we especially suggest that parents not allow their children to own or play it.

While thankfully against government intervention to stop the game’s release, the author asked if EA’s creative vision for game required, “the portrayal of deaths in an ongoing war,” and called Medal of Honor “shameful and an insult to the families of the men and women in uniform who have died there [Afghanistan], and will die in the future.”

The columnist probably helped EA sell a few more copies of the game in Southwest Florida.


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Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

While thankfully against government intervention to stop the game’s release, the author asked if EA’s creative vision for game required, “the portrayal of deaths in an ongoing war,” and called Medal of Honor “shameful and an insult to the families of the men and women in uniform who have died there [Afghanistan], and will die in the future.”

Hmmmm I guess they haven't seen the interviews of the Tier 1 Operators yet.....they need to watch them before they should say this crap.

 

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Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

All of this hype over an MW2 clone. This game is getting so much more attention than it deserves... this is "No Russian" all over again.

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

What? MOH originally kick-started the whole generation of modern FPS games. COD came when the guys at IW left to start a new franchise.

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

Any MoH boycott is not going to make a dent in the sales of this game.

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

boycott or not i doubt its gonna sell as well as it could, CoD whomped MoH ages ago and they just kept making worse and worse MoH's since.

tbh though i enjoyed pacific assault, a fresh take on WW2 since so few take to the pacific front and the Marines there.

 

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

Looks like this person is anti freedom and pro censorship. He wants to take away freedom to choose and buy what you want.

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

How so?  The author isn't advocating any kind of legal or governmental interference; he's urging customers to CHOOSE not to buy it and retailers to CHOOSE not to stock it.  How is that trying to take away people's freedom to choose?

I don't agree with his position, but it's a position he's free to take.  He's not trying to censor the game, merely urging boycotts, which consumers have the right to do.

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

I will half agree.... encouraging people to not buy it is fine, encouraging stores to not carry it, in my book, is NOT ok since that serves to cut off other people's choice.  It serves no other purpose then to make the item harder to obtain.

While it is unlikely that this piece will have much effect, the 'discourage the retailer' can have a profound effect on people's access to a service.  For an extreme example, look at abortions in Mississippi.... they are federally required to permit them, but pressure on doctors has resulted in only a single clinic for an entire state... so while not a de-jure ban, such pressure can result in de facto bans.  Which is why I have issues with even suggesting going down that path even if the party is too weak to have any real impact.  The ethical argument remains the same independent of effectiveness.

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

Abortion clinics ARE a pretty extreme example, and not really comparable.  We're not really talking about boycotts in that case, we're talking about much stronger protests, often including harrassment and even threats.

"The ethical argument remains the same independent of effectiveness."

But not independent of amount of pressure applied or importance of service.  This op-ed is a world different from threats of violence.

I still don't condone it, but it's a pretty benign bit of protest.

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

The less stores that sell it the less people would be able to buy it.

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

Unless major online retailers like GameStop and Amazon refused to sell it, very few consumers would be denied the opportunity to buy it.

Meanwhile, brick-and-mortar stores are faced with the decision of whether it will hurt their business more to sell the game or not to sell it.  This is the case with every single product that every single retailer sells, ever.  They will choose the decision that they feel is best for their business, and in this case most retailers will almost certainly choose to stock the game.

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

i still find it funny, there have been taliban/al qaeda in a number of games for years now, and just because they were labeled "opfor" or "Terrorists" no one said a word. Now that someone pulled the gag off their mouth and said one is taliban theres an entire shit storm to wade through..

entertaining to say the least.

 

tbh i'm gonna buy it just to peeve of these folks, and FYI i'm a vet of this recent war.

so they can shove it.

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

Far as I know, EA's never referred to them as the Taliban.  All the press materials I've seen have called them insurgents.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

yeh but it was revealed the original name for'em was to be taliban, thats where the whole fiasco started.

otherwise its no dif than CoD4, MW2, Americas Army, CS, and the entire lot of modern warfare based games.

 

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

Can you source that?

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

"Amanda Taggart, senior PR manager for EA, told AOL News. "In Medal of Honor multiplayer, someone's gotta be the Taliban."


there were also news posts all about when they said it a few months ago.

but the search functions on these sites seem to be rather limited...

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

Not exactly what I was looking for but interesting to see that EA did use that word at one point.  Thanks.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

As pointed out at the bottom of the article that you link to, the opinion piece is an "abridged" version.

Here is the original article:

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20109110306

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Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

"While thankfully against government intervention to stop the game’s release, the author asked if EA’s creative vision for game required, 'the portrayal of deaths in an ongoing war,'"

Seems a far better choice, and a less insulting one, than to not portray the deadly nature of war.

"and called Medal of Honor 'shameful and an insult to the families of the men and women in uniform who have died there [Afghanistan], and will die in the future.'"

That's Jingoism masquerading as sentimentality. The game is certainly not intended as an insult, and the fact that people have died in war does not make it an insult to portray both sides in a war as something other than caricatures. If people are insulted by Medal of Honor it's only because they choose to be insulted.

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

"And we especially suggest that parents not allow their children to own or play it."

Well, at least he reminded folks to pay attention to the ESRB rating, thats always a good thing.

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"the author asked if EA’s creative vision for game required, “the portrayal of deaths in an ongoing war,”

Guess he has been napping over the last decade and hasn't seen the plethora of war movies and novels and other games out there.

As for the rest, meh, he's entitled to his opinion. Though to suggest that game or other art form not be available to the public because it includes an enemy we are currently fighting is pretty cowardly in my opinion.

 

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

You can suggest that I refuse to buy it, that's fine.  But when you suggest retailers don't stock it, well then you're attempting to circumvent my ability to decide for myself whether I want to play the game or not.  That's not cool.

"Does [EA's] creative vision [for the new MoH] require the portrayal of deaths in an ongoing war?"

I'd say "yes" is a safe bet.

 

Andrew Eisen

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Well, that is the core of the "moral right".. using thier power to make it as difficult as possible for other people to choose differntly then they would.  After all, choice is evil and even being exposed to the option needs to be stopped.

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

Perhaps, but I think it bears noting, once again, that in this example the author isn't advocating any kind of ban or governmental action.  I disagree with the call for a boycott, but I commend them for their restraint in ONLY calling for a boycott.

Hell, it's not even that much of a boycott.  The article doesn't suggest that anyone should refuse to shop at a store that stocks the game.

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

Consumer boycotts are part of a free-market system.  Consumers have the right to request that a retailer not stock an objectionable product, a publisher not release it, an advertiser not advertise with it, or, say, a radio station to cancel a program.

And retailers have the right to say yes or no.  It comes down to whether they think they'll experience more dropped sales from choosing not to stock it, or from boycotts resulting from their stocking it.

In this case, I don't think many retailers will refuse to stock it.  That's the free market at work.

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

Indeedy do.  But it still excludes you from my cool book.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

And I can totally recommend that they stop watching Matlock and buying Craftmatic Adjustable beds...

It's so easy to judge something that you're not personally interested in enough to make an informed statement.

------- Morality has always been in decline. As you get older, you notice it. When you were younger, you enjoyed it.

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

Fair enough.  I disagree with this particular boycott attempt, but consumer boycotts can certainly be a positive thing as well.

Re: Op-Ed Urges Consumer, Retailers to Avoid Medal of Honor

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