Battle Pagans in The Bible Online

October 1, 2010 -

Following a short beta period, German online game publisher FiAA GbmH has released the official version of its browser-based online game entitled The Bible Online.

If you were waiting for a bible game that features both RTS and MMORPG elements, you’re in luck, as the title lets players “construct their villages, manage resources,” in addition to the challenge of protecting “their tribe from the pagans and also from other tribes.”

The first chapter of the game, called Heroes, centers on the Book of Genesis and features a temple, in which “players get the chance to actually read and type the passages of the Book of Genesis, which leads to increase of their ‘faith,’ which is one of the attributes of the players.”

FiAA GbmH plans to add chapters that eventually cover all the stories of the Bible. The game is available in both German and English.


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Re: Battle Pagans in The Bible Online

Some Athiest once said, "I gave my child a Bible to read, because that's how you create Atheists."  Kind of silly, but... yeah.  Ironically, a study just out week suggested that Atheists and Agnostics know more about the specifics and particulars of religion, than religious people do.  Asked a bunch of questions, and people who have decided not to follow any religion scored high.  Christians in general scored pretty low.  I doubt the study can accurately say that knowledge of religion tends to send people fleeing from it, but it was still amusing.

Anyway, even if the game is somehow actually fun to play (Left Behind series recently just proved that you don't have to make a good product to sell to Christian shoppers, slap "Christ" on the label and they'll buy any crap just out of some wierd sense of loyalty), I doubt the MMO is going to draw many players that aren't already Christians.  Maybe that's the point, giving the faithful a game for themselves.  But I'm not sure how killing "pageans" and quoting scripture make it more appealing to Christians than, say, Guild Wars and WoW.  Christianity, in comparision to other religions, is pretty leisurely.  Your faith in Jesus doesn't require 24/7 devotion where every activity demands some form of religious teaching.

Re: Battle Pagans in The Bible Online

Took one look at the title, and blurted out, "Oh my god...um wait..."

I'll wait for the expansion where you can play as the Pagans thank you very much 

Re: Battle Pagans in The Bible Online

I would play it to PK God. Hey, it worked with Lord British.

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The bible is a lovely book of fiction with some smart and not so smart allegories and trains of thought even zippy can make heads or tails of after a box of paps blue ribbon.

 

Also pagans are just about anyone who is not Christain/Jew/Islamic(not counting the sub sects that came out later).

 

Pagan religions are just small to large sects that tend to worship the land, the sky,sprites,animals,ect,ect


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I object to the use of the term "pagans" and demand it be changed to "the opposition".

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Now you just need to get enough people to complain, if these guys are as spineless as EA was...

And I'd probably pass on this game, personally.

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Re: Battle Pagans in The Bible Online

Meh, I don't see this as any more offensive than the crusades in the Total War series; looking at the company's other title, I'm very skeptical that they're in it to push a quasi-theocratic agenda, as is the case with Left Behind games.

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Zerodash, perhaps unknowingly, hit on the issue that came to my mind.

I searched the site for the game and found the FAQ in the Forums with this:

"Game Contents

  • Does The Bible Online really tell the true stories of the Bible?
    Spoiler 
    We give our best to offer a authentic experience. However we are still only human. If You identify any mistake with regards to content, contact us here."

If anyone finds more detail, please share it, but my question is:  WHICH version/translation/interpretation/etc are they using?

Zerodash mentioned the "unsavory parts".  But, what is "unsavory" and according to whom? 

I already see the inclusion of "barracks" and military forces in the game per the tour.  So, what role do they ACTUALLY play?  Who are the "pagans"?  Are they strictly defined as devil worshipers?  Are they just simply anyone and everyone who does not follow the specific religion of the player's followers?  What is a "pagan" in the context of the game (as opposed to what we may define it as outside the context of the game)?

Personally, when it comes to "God" games, which, really, this game falls under the context of, I prefer the generic, fictional settings.  Of course, some people do like "Historical" games based on "real" historical settings.  I've played Populous and Black & While and much prefer the latter to the former.  Although, I'm not really in the mood for a land based "God" game at this time.  I'd prefer a 4x space game with a bit of a special modification.

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Re: Battle Pagans in The Bible Online

Well, the Bible contains all kinds of content that, if included, would warrant an "M" rating.  Incest, murder, (almost) child sacrifice, rape and all kinds of content portrayed in the stories.  That's the kind of unsavory stuff that are at least of concern to sensibilities that warrant a rating system.

Other aspects, which are more "messages" and not critical for storytelling would be the anti-gay or anti-nonbeliever rhetoric and other hate speech. There is also the direct and implied antiscience in the Bible (like bats=birds, pi=3, or the age of the Earth) that might be problematic for some peole. 

 

Now, is battling against Pagans simply in there in order to justify the inclusion of interesting (meaning action-packed) game mechanics, or is it there to preach the evils of non-Christians?  It strictly comes down to the motives of the designers...

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I'm interested as to where in the Bible it says pi = 3 or that bats are the same as birds.  As a side note: astronomers (perhaps astrophysicists is a better term) often aproximate pi to be 3 when doing calculations for the movements of galaxies etc.  With the scales they work on the error intoduced isn't enough to care about.

And really the only people who think the Bible says anything about the age of the planet are those who've "studied" the Bible in English and never bothered to look into the fact that large parts of Genesis are clearly written in a poetic style in the original language.  Given that, it's reasonable to assume that creating the universe in 6 days (for instance) is more indicative of the process than it is of the specific timing.  After all, it's hard to measure a day before you've created a planet to have a day on.

Certainly there's anti-gay/anti-non-believer stuff in there.  I wouldn't say it's hate speech.  In fact, most of Jesus' message in the New Testament is based around loving others, even while hating the things they do.  Sadly, a lot of very vocal Christians fail to pay much attention to that bit.

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Re: Battle Pagans in The Bible Online

Here is a good article on Pi in the bible and the justification for the calculation:

http://www.purplemath.com/modules/bibleval.htm

Makes a really good argument about why the Bible is accurate in the measurments of the basin.

As for bats, they are listed as one of the unclean birds (birds jews are not allowed to eat).  Ithink that is more to do with it being more of a reference to flying animals in general rather than classifying bats as birds.

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Re: Battle Pagans in The Bible Online

Bats are featherless, flying mammals and thus not kosher. Chickens are feathered, flying birds and thus kosher. Italians are not Jews. 

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Well according to the Bible, the pagans would be anyone who does not follow the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. That is the Biblical context of the term. Similar to Gentile.

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"...players get the chance to actually read and type the passages of the Book of Genesis..."

Will we really?!  Oh my gosh, I've been waiting my whole life for a game to give me that chance!

 

Andrew Eisen

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Considering how many of the stories in the Bible are cool and entertaining, the concept for such a game is interesting.  Hopefully, this thing won't go in the wrong direction and promote the more unsavory parts of the faith. 

Personally, I would like to see more games take place within the context of Biblical times and settings. 

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Unfortunalty, it tends to be the unsavory bits that get people fired up and promotes the religion, so those tend to get focused on.  The 'nice' parts do not promote growth of the flock... darker parts result in stronger institutions.

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Meh, I won't touch this with a ten foot pole. Especially since many of my friends are pagan or follows pagan beliefs to some extent.

But that's my choice, my only worry would be kids who play this victimizing people who beleive such in schools and such, since some parents already try to make is ok for their kids to victimize certain people.

Re: Battle Pagans in The Bible Online

The kids who play this game are probably being told to play it by their parents, and are likely also being told to victimize those people. The game won't change anything.

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Point taken.

Re: Battle Pagans in The Bible Online

Yes, just like GTA makes kids want to get it on with prostitutes and then kill them to get their money back.

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Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
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Re: Battle Pagans in The Bible Online

I was speaking of people, not the game itself.

Re: Battle Pagans in The Bible Online

So was I. You said you worry that kids will play this game and start lashing out in an unspecified way to real life pagans.

I countered that with the idea that GTA makes kids want to have sex with hookers and then kill them.

Same argument different action. So games influence real life behavior or they don't. Pick one.

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Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Battle Pagans in The Bible Online

Ah, ok, sorry >.<

I don't think they do since, well, persoanlyl I can't stand ot hurt anyone, so I don't think they do.

Meh, and I see where i made my mistake.

 
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