Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

October 8, 2010 -

Following yesterday’s news that the ESA - via their Video Game Voters Network - is asking gamers to send California State Senator Leland Yee broken or old videogame controllers with  “I believe in the First Amendment” written on them, we reached out to the Senator’s office for comment.

Yee’s Chief of Staff Adam Keigwin replied that, “I can only assume these broken controllers must represent the broken promises of the video game industry to parents.”

The response continued:

As the recipient of several free speech awards - including the Beacon Award by the First Amendment Coalition, Freedom of Information Award by the Newspaper Publishers Association, Outstanding Achievement Award by the College Media Association, and Sunshine Award by the Society of Professional Journalists - the Senator shares their commitment to the First Amendment.  In fact, there is not a California legislator who has authored more bills to promote speech rights than Senator Yee.

Keigwin ended the note stating, “With that said, I think the Senator would appreciate a Kinect add-on rather than those dated controllers.”

We'll let you know if the ESA spokesperson has any additional comments to Yee's reaction.


Comments

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

His statement reminds me of Bender, coming to Fry's door loaded with Do Not Enter, This Means You, No Entry signs. He then states outloud "I choose not to understand these signs." and barges in.

The broken controllers represent YEE'S broken promises. If they were for the industry's broken promises, we would have sent the controllers to THEM.

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

Your statement reminds me of the episode of The Simpsons, where Rainier Wolfcastle deadpans, "That's the joke."

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

Man, sure are a lot of personal attacks against Yee in the thread.

Is it too much to ask that we criticize his ideology and not the man himself?

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

While I find you have a valid point, I simply don't respect people like him. I downright despise them. Always have, always will.

At least I don't call him Pee any more.

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

I fundamentally disagree with his point of view, but he's one of the voices of reason among people who share it.  He doesn't talk about "murder simulators" or "digital virtual rape".  And he legitimately seems to believe adults should still have access to adult material.

Again, I disagree with him, I think his stance is anti-First Amendment, and I think the legislation he's backed is fundamentally wrong.  But he never struck me as the sleazy, immoral opportunist that so many people on his side (and ours, for that matter) do.

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

Of course you feel that way.  He's a liberal.  If he were a conservative, you'd be one of the first people talking about how horrible a person he is.

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Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

I can't tell if that's supposed to be directed at me or not, but if it is, I'd like to see your basis for such an accusation. Actually, I'd like to see it anyway.

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

It was directed at Thad.  As for my basis of such, look at his post history.  Liberals = good, conservatives = bad.  Period.  That's why he just said that, even though Yee holds a blatant double standard when it comes to the First Amendment and video games, nobody can say anything negative about the person who's only said negative things about gamers.  Meanwhile, he's absolutely incapable of even giving a begrudging nod to any conservative who does anything worthwhile (note that there are more conservatives supporting the game industry in this fight than liberals, with the whole government oversight = bad thing they got going on).

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Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

I guess I don't have much radar for telling liberals and conservatives apart. And quite frankly, I don't really give a shit to either. Both of them are equally capable of pissing me off/cheering me up.

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

"I know there's a lot of kids out there with Manhunt 2 on their Christmas lists this year."

That's just one of many comments he's made over the years that were either utterly ignorant, intentionally misleading, or outright lies.

I'll grant you that he doesn't troll the internet insulting us all like a certain disbarred asshole from Florida, but I doubt that's anything more than the fact that Yee possesses more tact than him. It isn't just some view he has that I don't share, he's playing politics with people's rights. I don't care if he's fine with adults still consuming adult material, you don't put legal restrictions on what minors can consume either, not without a legitimate reason, not when it concerns something that isn't remotely equal to pornography, alcohol, tobacco, drugs, or firearms. That's not just opinion either, that's the damn Constitution, and one of the cited reasons why judges have been issuing permanent injunctions on previously signed bullshit anti-game laws.

I don't see that Yee actually cares about protecting anyone, because if he did he'd be concerning himself with something far more important than video games, and he wouldn't be quoted saying such things as the above.

Either he's just plain ignorant, and thereby undeserving of the power he wields, or he's as cognizant of his bullshit as Jack Thompson, and just as undeserving of any respect from me.

I'm not trying to change your opinion of the man either, I'm just putting mine out there in a little more... detailed fashion.

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

^This.

The piece of trash Yee doesn't really deserve any respect, in my humble opinion.

If the blithering idiot was really interested in "protecting children" like he claims, then why would the hypocrite vote against legislation that would have banned toxic lead in children's toys?

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra. Hell will stay frozen over for quite a while since the Saints won the Super Bowl.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

Oh, and then there's this: Remember when the CA bill made it's way to the governor's desk to be signed, and how it sat there for awhile as Arnold seemingly mulled it over? Remember what Yee did to try to prod him into the direction he wanted? Held that press conference where he paraded a bunch of children in front of the cameras, even having them read aloud letters they'd written (been given to read more likely) urging Arnold to sign that piece of shit bill into law?

Pretty fucking sleazy in my book. And he accuses the game industry of exploiting children...

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

Opens up quite a few questions about Leland's integrity.......among other things.

I'd like to see if Arnold Scwarzenegger received any campaign contributions(or as that nutjob Thompson would call them, "bribes") from the bill's supporters around that timeframe.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Hornets, Jack Thompson can geaux chase a chupacabra. Hell will stay frozen over for quite a while since the Saints won the Super Bowl.

Geaux Saints, Geaux Tigers, Geaux Pelicans. Solidarity for the Saints = No retreat, no surrender. 2013 = Saints' revenge on the NFL. Even through the darkest days, this fire burns always.

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

Well, that would be politics as usual wouldn't it? Though I have my doubts that some would've deemed it necessary, with Yee going for the fucking throat the way he did.

Gotta love those double-standards of Jack's. If anyone recieves money from the game industry, it's a bribe. If it's from anyone else, so long as they do what Jack wants them to, it's a donation.

He even accused a judge of being the game industry's pocket, without any proof whatsoever. He probably sits his desk at his house sometimes, looking like a damn supervillain, still convincing himself that it was religious persecution that got him disbarred.

"I'll get you damn kids for this! You're all gonna die!"

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

He sounds more pro re-election than anything else. Also, how dense can someone be?

“I can only assume these broken controllers must represent the broken promises of the video game industry to parents.”

You'd have to be pretty dumb to think that such a political message is the opposite of what it implied.

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"Paste superficially profound, but utterly meaningless quotation here."

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

Yeah, but then, you'd have to be pretty dumb not to recognize obvious sarcasm, too.

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

"Keigwin ended the note stating, “With that said, I think the Senator would appreciate a Kinect add-on rather than those dated controllers.”"

Whoa, did Yee's spokesman just ask for a bribe?

"In fact, there is not a California legislator who has authored more bills to promote speech rights than Senator Yee."

I thought we just needed the one (1st amendment) to protect free speech. How does adding more legislation make speech any more free?

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

I thought we just needed the one (1st amendment) to protect free speech. How does adding more legislation make speech any more free?

Exaclty.

Its only when you are trying to break down and control free speech into segments to limit it.. well then you need to attempt to pass lots of little bills.   Ah well.    I for one would like to encourage Karma to act faster for Sen. Yee. 

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

“I can only assume these broken controllers must represent the broken promises of the video game industry to parents.”

Oh?  Then please, do tell exactly what those broken promises are.  Surely you have a few examples on hand.

"...the Senator shares their commitment to the First Amendment."

What?  I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you over this content-based sales restriction that could conceivably chill speech if allowed to go into effect.

"In fact, there is not a California legislator who has authored more bills to promote speech rights than Senator Yee."

That may be but if they, like this one, are also ineffectual solutions to nonexistent problems, I ain't impressed.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

Let's not forget the "solemn promises made under oath to Congress and to others by the videogame industry not to market its murder simulators to kids." -- Jack Thompson

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

You want a Kinect add-on? Y-you do realize you need an xbox 360 first right? Just checking, I mean a guy who thinks 360 controllers are out dated probably doesn't know much about games...

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

And that's without speaking of the fact that the Kinect is a gimicky piece of shit that's going to share a place in history with failures like the Virtual Boy. Everyone, who knows games at all, knows this.

And these are the people who get to make laws telling everyone else how they can spend their free time.

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

“I can only assume these broken controllers must represent the broken promises of the video game industry to parents.”

This is part of what really worries me of what will come if SCOTUS rules in the state's favor. The whole concept behind the law is the (false) idea that the game industry utterly fails at it's task of self-regulation, and the governmenet must step in, despite the fact that the film and record industries have been proven to do a fucking piss-poor job of that. But it doesn't matter to guys like Yee, does it? No, they'll never be satisfied so long as they can make political fodder out of games.

And so, if this law stands the test of the court's scrutiny, and starts getting enforced, how long will it be until we see a harsher law coming around the corner once retailers get busted selling M-rated games to minors? Or in other states, since the precedent will have been set that games are legally considered to be harmful to minors? You know JT's going to be driving all over the country sending his kid into GameStops trying to buy them. And probably plenty of those advocacy groups too.

It's all bullshit, this whole "game industry praying on children" thing, but it isn't stopping guys like Yee from pursuing this so aggressively is it? That's fucking scary.

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

“I can only assume these broken controllers must represent the broken promises of the video game industry to parents.”

Or possibly they represent the broken morality of politicians who claim to support 'American parents' by taking over their jobs for them?

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

“With that said, I think the Senator would appreciate a Kinect add-on rather than those dated controllers.”

I'll just assume so Yee cna hold it up and say "This represents the video game industry's effort to make these games more immersive and more effectively allow childre nto mimic what they see on the screen.

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

Well, the man has yet to hesitate to use anything he can as a pulpit for his downright slander about video games and the people who produce and play them.

And of course, the fact that no one is going to buy the fucking thing will have absolutely no effect on his decision to make such false statements.

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

I think a campaign to have his so-called "Awards" revoked is in order.  Giving Yee a free speech award is like giving Fred Phelps a pro-diversity award.

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

“I can only assume these broken controllers must represent the broken promises of the video game industry to parents.”

No, Mr. Yee. They represent your broken standards about the First Amendment and how willing you are to lie in order to accomplish your political goals.

 

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Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

Ya, I still don't understand what message sending broken controllers is supposed to say.  Yee's interpretation of symbolising "the broken promises of the games industry to parents" actually makes more sense than whatever it's originally trying to say.

 

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Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

So hes pro fee speech by labeling a medium as a social taboo but leaves all other mediums untouched? That does not sound very "pro first amendment" to me at all.

Re: Yee on VGVN Initiative: Send Us Kinect Instead

Those organizations should revoke those rewards.  Anyone who rants on a 'free speech for some, not for others' platform does not deserve to be called a protector of the first amendment.  These journalist organizations should be ashamed of themselves and their own narrow self interest.

 
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