If You Are a Liberal, a Possible Reason Why

October 28, 2010 -

Personal political ideology could be shaped by a combination of factors, including the number of friends one has during adolescence and whether or not a person posses a specific dopamine receptor gene.

A trio of University of California, San Diego researchers, in conjunction with a Harvard University participant, examined the subject in a research paper entitled Friendships Moderate an Association between a Dopamine Gene Variant and Political Ideology.

You’re likely to think that political leanings are influenced by parental units, but these researchers claim that evidence from recent studies indicate that “the mechanism by which parents pass their ideology to their children may in part be due to heredity, and that political attitudes themselves are genetically influenced.”

The paper argues that the dopamine receptor gene in question, 7R, a variant of the D4 gene (DRD4), “cannot by itself predispose someone to a liberal ideology,” but that “it requires a context in which people are exposed to certain social environments.”

The researchers explain:

… we hypothesize that the combination of an innate desire for novel experience and many friends may contribute to the activation of a liberal ideology. People who have many friends may nonetheless remain uninterested in their friends’ point of view. Alternatively, people who crave new experiences may not get them from their social context if they have only a few friends.

For people who lack the DRD4-7R gene variant, there was “no association” between the number of friendships as a youngster and political ideology, hence the researchers claim that political leanings are at least party hereditary.


Via Gawker


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Re: If You Are a Liberal, a Possible Reason Why

People please.

Brian Griffin is a Liberal and has no friends.

And that's my arguement.

Re: If You Are a Liberal, a Possible Reason Why

Butbutbut Rush Limbaugh -- !

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If, and that's a huge if, it was determined to be genetic, THEN we can see the right being interested in genetic medicine.

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What do you call wanting to stomp out the gay gene?

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Well, first of all, the vast majority of the anti-gay movement still believes that being gay is a choice.

Second, the existence of a "gay gene" is a bit of an oversimplification; while research HAS suggested genetic factors, it's also believed that environmental factors play a role.

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How exactly does this relate to videogame politics?

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In before "DENNIS DID IT TOO!"

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It wouldnt suprise me to see liberals like Pelosi want to take over the ESRB...its all just one big power grab

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I can say the names of politicians I disagree with and act like they're spooky boogeymen too.

Orrin Hatch!  Dick Cheney!  Christine O'Donnell!  Boogaboogabooga!

Anyway, I've never seen you before and you're just namedropping a bunch of standard talking-point politicians.  Pretty sure you're a troll, but if you start talking about Saul Alinsky I'll reconsider and figure you're just a guy who watches too much Fox News.

Re: If You Are a Liberal, a Possible Reason Why

I got it. You dislike facts.

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I got it.  You're a troll.

Thanks for clearing that up; saves me the trouble of replying to you any further.

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Ah, you've got this area covered I see. One resident troll is enough...didnt mean to hit your turf.

Re: If You Are a Liberal, a Possible Reason Why

One idiot on another board suggested that conservatism was in everyone's soul and all liberals "grow out of it".

I didn't believe him either.

Re: If You Are a Liberal, a Possible Reason Why

Liberal = Conservative

Seriously, when you look at the logical fallacies, stubborn adherence to ideaology regardless of facts, and outright intolerance, both Liberals and Conservatives are one in the same.  Anyone with half a mind would NEVER support all of what Liberals or Conservatives represent, but rather an assortment of both.  Those that strictly adhere to the doctrines of both right and left have one thing in common: being fools.

Liberals do seem to get a pass from most people regarding their logical fallacy- or this may just be my anectotal observances.  I really wish Libs were called out just as often as Conservatives for their stupidity, if only to demonstrate the foolishness of adherence to narrow ideaology.

But here are some examples:

Statement 1: "I don't believe it's a good idea to raise taxes during a recession."

Liberal Response: "You're only saying that because you are angry a black man is in the white house!"

 

Statement 2: "I am not comfortable with the idea of the health care industry being nationalized by the government."

Liberal Response: "How can you believe that people should die just because they can't afford health care?"

 

Statement 3: "The 911 attacks were carried out by Islamic extremists."

Liberal Response: "You are a racist for saying that all Muslims are terrorists!"

 

Statement 4: "Feminists are being dishonest when they say one in four college-age women are rape victims."

Liberal Response: "Are you saying that rapes never happen?"

 

 

The very same logical fallacies above, though in different contexts, are the same as those committed by Conservatives and I really wish more people would see the two "sides" as being more or less the same.

People who actually engage their minds would understand this and actively choose NOT to ascribe to either label or identity.

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"The very same logical fallacies above, though in different contexts, are the same as those committed by Conservatives and I really wish more people would see the two "sides" as being more or less the same."

Actually, they aren't the same. Just because they're both open to human falliblity at the same rate doesn't mean they're the same. They're still different ideologically. If human fallibilty were a factor for similarity as you put it, then all ideologies of all types are the same.

"People who actually engage their minds would understand this and actively choose NOT to ascribe to either label or identity."

And for the record, I don't subscribe to a political label, and though I understand your idea, I find it flawed.

 

 

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

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While I agree that liberals are just as likely to be illogical and unhinged as conservatives, I think your strawman examples are silly and continue to wonder why you think people constantly accuse you of racism, to the point that you're constantly bringing it up regardless of whether or not anyone actually mentions race in the article you're responding to.

But here, just for chuckles:

"I don't believe it's a good idea to raise taxes during a recession."

Tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans are part of what helped put us into a recession.  Democrats are proposing raising taxes on the rich back to where they were during the Clinton Administration.  What was the economy like back then, again?

"I am not comfortable with the idea of the health care industry being nationalized by the government."

In what way does obligating people to buy insurance from PRIVATE CORPORATIONS qualify as nationalization?

"The 911 attacks were carried out by Islamic extremists."

Of course they were, but there has been a broad backlash against the entire Muslim community as a result, and that is wrong.

"Feminists are being dishonest when they say one in four college-age women are rape victims."

What do you believe is the actual number?  Do you have a source?  What is it, and what was the methodology?

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We are in an economic downfall because liberal Democrats Barney Frank and Chris Dodd overregulated the housing market, forcing ridiculous loans to go through and then cooked the books at their own institutes, Fanny, Freddie.

The "wealthiest" Americans are job creators. When they get pinched, job creation halts. It's not complicated. People often forget that during Clinton's Administration, the Republicans took Congress by a landslide and their Congress is why the economy was nice.

Political correctness/death of common sense.

Re: If You Are a Liberal, a Possible Reason Why

I don't think overregulation of the housing market was the problem.  Canada's housing market is more regulated than the US's and we've had only a fraction of the problems that have happened south of the border.  Something tells me there's more than just one factor.

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Re: If You Are a Liberal, a Possible Reason Why

Indeed; that's why I referred to the tax cuts as merely "part of" the problem initially.  Obviously there are a variety of factors; Fanny and Freddy WERE part of the problem, as indeed was our participation in two foreign wars.  I stand by my assertion that the tax cuts are part of the problem, but it would be foolish to blame any single source.

I wouldn't waste any more time responding to Justin, though; his lazy, rote schtick and the fact that I've never actually seen him post here before pretty much scream "troll".

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I would not even agree that Freddy/Fanny were even significant parts of the problem.  It was a complex mesh, but the driving source behind it all was more investment money floating around then safe investments to put it in... so the market did what the market was bound to do, wrapp up riskier investments in safe looking packaging in order to meet the demand.  Since regulations that would have made that packaging more transparent had been removed, people did what was in their short term finantial interest.

This is a natural part of unregulated markets, and keeps happening over and over.... bubble happens, people ask for regulation.. regulation gets put in place, people complain that regulation stops them from making as much money as they would like, regulation is removed since 'nothing has happened since' without rule being put in place to prevent the original problem.. rinse lather repeat.

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thing is though, what were taxes like during the clinton administration not the congress itself? I mean when we talk about "raising taxes for the rich" aren't we really taking about "taking away the bush tax cuts". Seeing as the bush tax cuts came under bush, would that not mean that removing them mean we are going back to what it was like under the clinton administration? If you think the republican congress under the clinton administration was so great then should you not agree with how the taxes were back then? If what the republicans thought was fine in the 90's is different than what they want today then shouldn't you stop looking at "what party is in charge" and focus more on what each wants to achieve? I mean if the republicans of 2010 don't think like the republicans of the 90's, then siding with the republicans just because they are republicans is not necessarily like going back to the way things were in the 90's...

Even if the democrats were not the ones responsible for the economy back then, if their stance on taxes better match what we had back in the 90's, then should you not support the democrat stance on taxes in 2010?

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This is not republican vs democrat. This is extremely bloated government vs. scaleback.

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Which is why the current crop of concervatives are just pretend concervatives.   During a recession the worst thing you can do is scale back government.

Concervativism used to mean 'do what has been shown to work, continue doing it'.  Now it has become 'do whatever sounds kinda like what was in movies about some previous decade, or just do the opposite of what the liberals are doing'.

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"We are in an economic downfall because liberal Democrats Barney Frank and Chris Dodd overregulated the housing market, forcing ridiculous loans to go through and then cooked the books at their own institutes, Fanny, Freddie."

And they did all that during the time Republicans controlled Congress and the White House?

"The "wealthiest" Americans are job creators. When they get pinched, job creation halts. It's not complicated."

Of course it's complicated.  If economics weren't complicated, everyone would be an expert at it.

The wealthiest Americans are doing just fine right now -- they're still the wealthiest Americans.  Job creation is still abysmal, while CEO's of failed banks continue to collect huge bonuses.

"People often forget that during Clinton's Administration, the Republicans took Congress by a landslide and their Congress is why the economy was nice."

So you acknowledge that the economy was much better before the Bush tax cuts.

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Yes. Fannie & Freddie are Democrat playtoys. Frank was asked about it in 2004, but he claimed everything was fine. This is Bush's fault for actually trusting one of these people and not investigating it.

It's not complicated. Trickle down works.

No, the Bush tax cuts didnt ruin the economy. The National Bureau of Economic Research states the recession started Dec. 2007, which happens to be in tandem with Democratic control over the House, with speaker Nancy Pelosi...who has increased the national debt by $5 trillion dollars.

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LOL you are using my examples as a springboard toward a strawman attack against me.  Good going.  When did I claim those statements as my opinions when they are clearly examples of hypothetical discussions?  Plus, I wasn't even postulating these questions to you or anybody.

And your little suggestion that I am in fact a racist because I point out that the race card gets played in nearly every national debate is another gem.

As for the 25% of all college-age women are raped affair- that has been pretty well debunked on numerous angles.  Would you like to show me your numbers that a quarter of all American women age 18-21 has been raped?  If that were anywhere near true, then you wouldn't be able to go long without witnessing these acts directly or indirectly every week.  What is YOUR source and methodology?

 

BTW, good job proving my point.

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"When did I claim those statements as my opinions when they are clearly examples of hypothetical discussions?"

When did I?

"And your little suggestion that I am in fact a racist because I point out that the race card gets played in nearly every national debate is another gem."

Never said any such thing.  I ask again, why do you constantly think people are accusing you of racism when they aren't?  Can you give it a rest, maybe?

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"Feminists are being dishonest when they say one in four college-age women are rape victims."

What do you believe is the actual number?"

We don't have to have the actual number to know that the 1/4 number is based on a very flawed study.

"Did you have sex then regret it" was something that they qualified as rape in that study.

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"Did you have sex then regret it" was something that they qualified as rape in that study.

Wow, just wow.

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Re: If You Are a Liberal, a Possible Reason Why

"We don't have to have the actual number to know that the 1/4 number is based on a very flawed study.

"Did you have sex then regret it" was something that they qualified as rape in that study."

Fair enough if true, but I'd like to see a source.

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Crap, I will have to see if I can find the paper again, but a few weeks back I read a good meta-study that integrated several dozen differnt studies (including the DoJ's own numbers) and attempted to correct for methodological flaws.  The final numbers actually came out pretty close, it was around 1 in 5 rather then 1 in 4 but it was not that far off.

The horribly flawed ones people usually site to discredit the 1 in 4 stat are usually actually the ones that put the rates up near 60%... for instance the above mentioned 'anytime the woman did not initiate' one was in the 60+ range, not 25%.

Though I admit the meta-study was focusing specificly on child abuse, so that 20% was the rate of rape when it occured before the girl's 18th birthday.  It did talk briefly about rates after 18 but the rate that rape occured dropped off very quickly after that point (something like 95% of rapes occured before 24) so it is possible that the remaining 5% is made up during the remainder of women's lifespans.

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They also said that anytime a woman has sex with her boyfriend/husband that was initiated by anyone other than HER, then it is a rape.  So, if you ask your woman to have sex with you and she does, then you are a RAPIST because it wasn't her idea.

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Thank you for either treating extremist opinion as the basis of an entire movement or misquoting or misrepresenting "Yes means Yes" and enthusiastic consent.

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No, no no. Liberalism is a mental disorder. Not a genetic disorder.

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With an attitude like that, no wonder you have no friends.

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Wow, that is one stupid hypothosis.  Sorry, but friends, family, and self are the major factor in most, if not all of your life's choices. 

Also, most conservatives are Christian and a large amount of non-believers/non-active members are liberal.  The reason why that is important is that non-believers and non-active members of a religion(Christians who don't go to any church regularly) are ostisized by the majority of Americans, who identify themselves as "good" Christians.  That is why liberals have fewer and more diverse friends.

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"Also, most conservatives are Christian and a large amount of non-believers/non-active members are liberal.  The reason why that is important is that non-believers and non-active members of a religion(Christians who don't go to any church regularly) are ostisized by the majority of Americans, who identify themselves as "good" Christians.  That is why liberals have fewer and more diverse friends."

The problem with the first part of this, as already stated, is that most people in both parties are chrisitan. Second, is there any study to show that most conservatives are regular going church members? I mean nothing but stereotype seems to support this idea, including the idea that non church goers are ostricized by the majority americans, especially considering the large percentage of non church goers in america. And even if that were true, "rejection" doesn't equal "diversity of friends".

 

 

 

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"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein

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"Sorry, but friends, family, and self are the major factor in most, if not all of your life's choices."

...isn't that what the study says?

"Also, most conservatives are Christian"

Most liberals are also Christian.  Most AMERICANS are Christian.

"The reason why that is important is that non-believers and non-active members of a religion(Christians who don't go to any church regularly) are ostisized by the majority of Americans, who identify themselves as "good" Christians."

I don't think the demographics bear your generalization out.  While polls show a general mistrust of atheists among mainstream America, "ostracized" (which I assume is the word you meant) is a rather strong word.  And Christians who don't go to church regularly may face derision from fundamentalists, but I don't think they generally take much flack from moderate churchgoers.  While fundamentalists and evangelicals may have the loudest voice, they are a minority; there are far more moderate Christians than extreme ones.

"That is why liberals have fewer and more diverse friends."

The study suggests that liberals tend to have many friends and a certain specific dopamine receptor.  I'm skeptical, but I do think you're right about "more diverse" being the important phrase.

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And let the "you have no friends!" sniping begin.

An interesting hypothesis, I suppose, but needs a lot more work.  (Perhaps the correlation with number of friends is actually based on VARIETY of friends -- I feel my own liberalism owes a lot to knowing people of different races, beliefs, sexual orientations, and socioeconomic classes, and it stands to reason that the more people you know, the likelier you are to be exposed to people from different walks of life.)

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>hence the researchers claim that political leanings are at least party hereditary. 

Right, I'm taking bets on when the first politician will suggest sterilising his opponent's supporters.

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Now there was a scray chapter in US history.... actually, chapters. 

I would not be surprised if it comes up again eventually, esp given how there will always be people who glorify failures of the past with some kind of 'if only they did not stop those people, we would be in better shape today!'

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No "if" about it.  There's an American charity paying drug addicts to get sterilized.

And while there are some pretty obvious arguments against drug addicts having children, I find it highly problematic to offer money to an addict to do something he might not do if he were clean.

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*shiver* yeah... even if there is logic behind it, even if for the moment it is small scale, privately funded, and voluntary.. it still sets a bad precedent. If nothing else it is a short leap from 'voluntary' to 'well, you can go to prison or go voluntarily into program XYZ (which given how common AA exemptions or 'go to church or jail' rulings are... is not much of a stretch)

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And even "voluntary" is a tricky term when you're talking about offering money to someone who needs a fix.

Re: If You Are a Liberal, a Possible Reason Why

One jackhole on naother board, undit Kitchen I think, already suggested it, at the very least forcing liberal parent-to-be to, as he said, "Get the abortions they love so much"

 
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