Lieberman Discusses FoxNews Comments

February 10, 2011 -

"WTF?"

That was certainly the reaction of many a gamer when they read Dr. Carole Lieberman's comment in FoxNews' Bulletstorm article earlier this week: “The increase in rapes can be attributed in large part to the playing out of [sexual] scenes in video games.”

As we saw a couple weeks ago with Dr. Walid Phares' opinion on a link between Modern Warfare 2 and the recent Moscow airport bombing, sometimes talking points can be taken out of context.  With this in mind, we decided to see what Lieberman had to say in regards to how her comments were presented by FoxNews.

“My FoxNews.com statements were taken out of context and made to sound more inflammatory than they were meant. Nonetheless, I stand behind my view that media violence, and particularly video game violence is harmful. Thousands of studies have shown that the more violent media a person consumes, the more desensitized to violence and the more aggressive they become. When this violence is sexualized it is even more stimulating. And rape is a violent crime. Furthermore, research has shown that, not only do people become more aggressive in a general sense, but they also act out copycat violence in response to behaviors seen in movies, TV shows, and video games.

 

Since the FoxNews.com article didn't describe my background, it made it seem as though I was simply making a flippant remark. Actually, I have  been a researcher in media violence for over twenty years and, as such, have testified before Congress several times, been the head of the National Coalition on TV Violence, and have stopped the 'Schwarzenegger rocket' (a NASA rocket that had planned to have an ad for "Last Action Hero" on its exterior). I was also invited to contribute an essay to Larry King's book Beyond A Reasonable Doubt, about video game violence (Click here to download it).”

Lieberman tells us she was not familiar with Bulletstorm when she was first asked about it but did subsequently research the title.

“I have received an onslaught of abusive emails, phone calls, and angry comments from gamers to the point of harassment… What has been most disturbing is the Amazon-bombing that gamers have done, regarding a book that has nothing whatsoever to do with video games.

 

I wrote Bad Girls: Why Men Love Them & How Good Girls Can Learn Their Secrets in an effort to help men and women find the love they deserve. The so-called reviews have served to prove that video games do make people more aggressive, indeed.”

AE: I disagree with Lieberman’s last comment as I believe that only proves that every group has its immature jackasses and gamers are no exception.  That said, thanks to Dr. Carole for taking the time to answer our questions.

-Reporting from San Diego, GamePolitics Correspondent Andrew Eisen


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Re: Lieberman Discusses FoxNews Comments

Dear Lieberman,

Farmville is one of the most played and most succesful Video Games of all time. It's a game on Facebook where you manage a Farm. Now I ask you. If you say Video Games influence us to do things. Then why haven't we all turned into Farmers?

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"The so-called reviews have served to prove that video games do make people more aggressive, indeed.”

Dear Lieberman,

There is a big difference between retaliatory book reviews and Skull-F---ing. If writing a book review constitutes "aggressive behavior" in your book... I'm sorry. I can't continue explaining just how stupid this is.

Re: Lieberman Discusses FoxNews Comments

"The so-called reviews have served to prove that video games do make people more aggressive, indeed."

More like it shows that baselessly slandering millions of people and their hobby will irritate a lot of them and result in a tiny fraction of them reacting in an immature fashion.

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In what way is it immature to react by 1-star reviewing her book? Look at what it accomplished - she's already backpedalling. Once again, the 1-star Amazon review shows that it's a tactic that is extremely effective. If there's a more effective and less 'immature' way of getting an idiot to retract her foolishness, I have yet to see it.

Sometimes a swift kick in the wallet is all these folks understand. In light of that, it's hardly 'immature' to plant that kick.

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I am missing the part where she is backpedalling. She didn't retract anything and is standing by what she said.

I hardly think "my comments were made out to be more inflammatory than intended" is backpedalling. She simply expressed her (ill-formed) opinion, and people blew up. 

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I'm certainly very angry over the implication that I'm somehow lacking in humanity enough to be suggestible by a video game. I'm very angry about the assertion that gamers are somehow morally inferior. I'm very angry that lies are being used to slander something about which I'm passionate. I'm very angry about the assertion that we can't tell fantasy from reality.

I am, modesty aside, articulate and thoughtful enough to express this anger without requiring recourse to violent imagery. That that is not true of everyone is no reflection on video games.

You're right: this doesn't prove anything about video games. All it proves is that you can't deliberately upset a hornets' nest and then expect not to get stung. You can't say inflammatory things and expect not to get a hostile reaction.

If Lieberman understood that (and it's hard to fathom that someone - especially a psychiatrist - wouldn't), then she's nothing more than a troll. If, somehow, she didn't understand that, then she needs to learn to take responsibility for upsetting people.

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funny thing about Last Action Hero: despite Lieberman's stopping NASA's ad with complaints of copycat violence, the kid in the movie understands the differences between violent movies and real life to the point of spending a lot of his screentime explaining them to a character from a movie universe.

岩「if Phyllis Schlafly wants to undo Women's Rights, she should lead by example and get back in the kitchen」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

Re: Lieberman Discusses FoxNews Comments

Now, now... we daren't let logic sway our actions.  We might be forced to act rationally.  And what would all the pundits do if they had to be rational?  Seriously.  It'd put a lot of people out of a job and unemployment is already high enough.

Wow, I just found a "causal link" between acting rationally and unemployment increase?  Call Fox "News"!

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Re: Lieberman Discusses FoxNews Comments

Dr. Lieberman, if you're reading, I'd like to remind you:

Correlation is not causation.

You've shown a correlation. Please stop asserting that one is causing the other, when the reverse (that violent people enjoy violent media) is just as probable.

Re: Lieberman Discusses FoxNews Comments

She.

Doesn't

Care.

 

This is a person who has made a career out of riding moral panics,... it isn't about being right, it is about people paying her to do shows and buy her books.  She is laughing all the way to the bank.

Her book is part of another moral panic she has been riding and deserves to be flamed in its own right..

Re: Lieberman Discusses FoxNews Comments

“I have received an onslaught of abusive emails, phone calls, and angry comments from gamers to the point of harassment… What has been most disturbing is the Amazon-bombing that gamers have done, regarding a book that has nothing whatsoever to do with video games.

This reaction could be triggered on anybody. If she were talking BS about christians, atheists, WWF fans, pro-life supporters, PETA members or Sonic the Hedgehogs fans, the reaction would be almost the same.

And it´s so easy for her to claim that it was an "onslaught of aggressive comments" and disregarding the actual critics she possible recieved.

I wrote Bad Girls: Why Men Love Them & How Good Girls Can Learn Their Secrets in an effort to help men and women find the love they deserve.The so-called reviews have served to prove that video games do make people more aggressive, indeed.”

That´s just proves that there is mean people on the internet, not that every gamer who had play violent games acts like that. Or even more, that there is mean people on the internet with Amazon accounts, to be more specific.

“My FoxNews.com statements were taken out of context and made to sound more inflammatory than they were meant."

So, actually, she is saying that their commentaries meant to be somehow inflammatory against videogames? Fox surely knows how to choose their people.

 

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Re: Lieberman Discusses FoxNews Comments

By the way, John Brandon, the one who wrote the original article on Fox News, replied to some of his critics in the comment section. Although he dodges many critics, I must recognize he has some guts.

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so her entire argument is based o false studies, bad studies, unamed sources still, and a terrible assumption that the minority speaks for the majority?

she's just "proven" herself to be a single minded idiot if anything.

Re: Lieberman Discusses FoxNews Comments

On one point, I agree : her quote doesn't come from nowhere, as she's always been a long-time opponent of violent media and video games. Back in 1994, she explained in the LA Times that "video games have become the new drug of society."

This being said, the backlash and the shitstorm were ultra-predictable... so was her thoughts on this shitstorm. When you belong to a community, you're compromised by it, in particular by its worst members. 

Re: Lieberman Discusses FoxNews Comments

(GP weather Man Cap on)Yes, Class A-1 Shitstorm, The worst kind of shitstorm since Cooper larwence ridicule of mass effect which hit on January 2008 not far off of fartslvania and who gives a Crud(GP weatherman cap off)

Watching JT on GP is just like watching an episode of Jerry springer only as funny as the fights

America has just became its own version of the Jerry Springer Show after a bizarre moment in Florida involving a carnival worker.

 
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