Sony, Hotz Argue over Hard Drives

March 1, 2011 -

New court documents obtained by PSX-Scene show that a battle is unfolding between hacker George Hotz's lawyers and Sony over hard drives. As you may recall the court ordered Hotz to turn over his hard drives to a third-party called TIG. The company was charged with analyzing and isolating any data that might be relevant to the case. The original court order called for TIG to analyze the drives "for the purpose of isolating, segregating and/or removing the information on those devices related to Defendant Hotz's circumvention of the TPMs in the PS3 system." But Hotz's legal team says that TIG is giving Sony too much information..

According to court documents, TIG wants to create two full image files of the drives in decrypted and encrypted format. Hottz's attorneys say that this is more information than Sony is entitled per the court's order:

"SCEA is not entitled to inspect the impounded drives under the impoundment order, nor is it allowed to create and preserve additional copies of the impounded drives, but this is precisely what it seeks to do."

SCEA asked the court to allow it. Here is what it told the court:

"For the foregoing reasons, SCEA requests that the Court order that Mr. Hotz comply with TIG‟s recommended impoundment protocols and that those protocols be supplemented to ensure that preservation requirements are met as follows:

(1) TIG create and preserve two forensically sound images (e.g., bit stream images) of each impounded storage device in its encrypted form: One to be maintained by TIG in a secure vault for preservation purposes and the second to be used for decryption and/or any other necessary analysis by TIG;

(2) TIG create and preserve two forensically sound images (e.g., bit stream images) of each impounded storage device in its un-encrypted form. One to be maintained by TIG in a secure vault for preservation purposes and the second to be used for TIG‟s necessary analysis; and

(3) TIG maintain and preserve all of the forensically created images for the duration of the lawsuit.

SCEA further requests that the Court order Mr. Hotz to: (a) provide TIG with the tools and keys necessary to decrypt the impounded storage devices and the keys and passwords necessary to decrypt or unlock any protected files contained on the impounded storage devices;

(b) identify for TIG all virtual machines or hard disks stored or at any time run on the impounded storage devices.3 Furthermore, to verify compliance with the impoundment order, SCEA requests that the Court order Mr. Hotz to provide a declaration setting forth: verification that all storage devices on which any circumvention devices or any information relating to Mr. Hotz's circumvention of the technological protection measures in the PS3 System are stored have been delivered to TIG; why the storage device used by Mr. Hotz in the January 7, 2011 YouTube video entitled “Jailbroken PS3 3.55 with Homebrew” was not delivered to TIG for impoundment; and the identity of any remote storage of the circumvention devices or any information relating to Mr. Hotz's circumvention of the technological protection measures in the PS3 System.4 Finally, SCEA seeks fees and costs in relation to this motion."

Check out the court documents below - all from PSX-Scene:

86-1.pdf

86-main.pdf

87.pdf

Source: PSX-Scene


Comments

Re: Sony, Hotz Argue over Hard Drives

Can they even demand you to surrender your passwords and decryption keys?

Doesn't that count as self-incrimination?

Re: Sony, Hotz Argue over Hard Drives

Should self-incrimination even be a factor in a case against someone who so obviously thinks he's completely innocent of wrongdoing?

The quick answer is "no", it's not self-incrimination. They're going to get into it, one way or another. Either Hotz gives it willingly, or they have a hacker get to it. If he didn't give it willingly, it wouldn't help his case any. Just makes it seem like he has something to hide.

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Re: Sony, Hotz Argue over Hard Drives

Makes me wonder what Hotz is trying to hide. The hundreds of "backup" PS3 games he has on his hard drive, maybe?

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Re: Sony, Hotz Argue over Hard Drives

are the hoping to find porn they can "accidentally" leak?

Re: Sony, Hotz Argue over Hard Drives

Exactly what I was thinking.

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Re: Sony, Hotz Argue over Hard Drives

Bunch of whiners aren't they. 10 bucks says that Sony tries to use the Patriot Act as another excuse to ignore Hotz's right to privacy.

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Re: Sony, Hotz Argue over Hard Drives

hotz: wtf you want now?

sony: mr hotz, we want you to remove all clothing from your lower person and proceed to bend over.  also, fork over your bank account.

Re: Sony, Hotz Argue over Hard Drives

They don't ask for much, do they?

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