Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

March 7, 2011 -

Sony has won the right to acquire the IP addresses of "anyone" that visited PlayStation 3 hacker George "Geohot" Hotz’s website from January 2009 to the present, according to a Wired report. Late last week, federal magistrate Joseph Spero gave Sony the green light to subpoena Hotz’s web provider Bluehost to obtain IP addresses. The magistrate also gave Sony the nod to subpoena YouTube, Twitter, and Google for similar data.

Bluehost is the host for Hotz’s geohot.com site. The subpoena requires the company release to Sony "documents reproducing all server logs, IP address logs, account information, account access records and application or registration forms" tied to Hotz’s hosting activities. The Bluehost subpoena also requires that "any other identifying information corresponding to persons or computers who have accessed or downloaded files hosted using your service and associated [with the www.geohot.com website], including the “geohot.com/jailbreak.zip file.”

Sony told the magistrate that it needed all of this data to prove the "defendant’s distribution" of the hack and that data from other sources would prove that the California court is the right venue for the case to be heard.

Sony contends that Hotz violated provisions of the DMCA by distributing "circumvention devices" designed to crack copy-protection schemes on the PS3.

"I think the these subpoenas, the information they seek, is inappropriate," said Corynne McSherry, a staff attorney with the Electronic Frontier Foundation. In a letter to Magistrate Spero, she called the subpoenas "overly broad."

A hearing to determine where Hotz should be tried - San Francisco or New Jersey - is set for next month in San Francisco federal court.

Source: Wired


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Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

Good thing I never went there. I never have nor ever would hack my PS3.

Honestly nearly smacked my brother when he suggested it. Not going to get my PSN account banned when it's under a month old and when I'm willing to pay for my games.

Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

Agreed. Doing such things to my systems is equivalent to butchery in my book. I call for harsher penalties against hackers and pirates! *Raises a torch and pitchfork*

"Power means nothing without honor and pride."

http://grifsgamereviews.blogspot.com My video game review site.

Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

Oh, and I visited again, and read new comments, which is all that I did. Maybe they'll go after the people who are donating for his 'legal defense fund' too, while they are at it?

 - W

Consumer responsibility is just as important as Corporate responsibility. So, be responsible consumers.

Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

This was my concern to be honest, if you can identify those who are helping Hotz fight this and intimidate them, then his income dries up and he cannot fight the case. It does promote the question of why this route would be taken.

Sadly, this does seem to be a growing tactic in corporate legal action.

Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

Did I visit the site? Sure. I went there and viewed many of the comments left there concerning an earlier news story. I saw some of the demostration videos, including one of them that is on You Tube.

I do not own a PS3. My roomie has one, and I havn't played it in a year or so. The only next gen console I own is a 360, which I haven't played in months, because it is messed up.

I have no desire to 'jailbreak' a PS3.

And after this, nor do I desire a PS3.

...At least for now.

 -W

Consumer responsibility is just as important as Corporate responsibility. So, be responsible consumers.

Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

If sony starts harresing anyone just for looking up videos or news about the hack I would sue there asses. Unless they actually doing some sort of hacking its not sony's bussines to know who's watching the hacking video.

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

I think most of you are jumping the gun a little bit. Yes, they're getting a bunch of IP addresses, but that doesn't mean they're going to try each and every one, or ANY one for that matter, for breaking the DMCA. Most people should know by now that Sony doesn't really care about the small fish. They want the proof that Hotz was distribuiting the jailbreak, and doing this, they're going to get it. Keeping with Sony's record, the only people who have anything to be afraid of are the people who were actually distributing Hotz's "Work". I'm sure the rest are safe.

"Power means nothing without honor and pride."

http://grifsgamereviews.blogspot.com My video game review site.

Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

First, it is not only some IP adresses:

 

"documents reproducing all server logs, IP address logs, account information, account access records and application or registration forms"

 

And second, why the US government think that Sony is entitled to have that information, about me, a Brazillian citizen that never visited US at all?

 

--- Maurício Gomes twitter.com/agfgames

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Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

That depends on one of two things being true.

A) You were distributing Hotz's work to others.

B) You just visited the site/registered/other and did nothing else beyond that.

If A is true, then you're just as guilty of violating the DMCA as Hotz is. Regardless of your citizenship, the terms of the DMCA is the same, and violating them subjects you to the same penalties as someone living in any other country.

If B is true, then you really have nothing to worry about. Although, whether you like it or not, your information can and probably will be used as evidence against Hotz.

Ironic how it seems Hotz's supporters are being used as ammunition against him, isn't it?

"Power means nothing without honor and pride."

 http://grifsgamereviews.blogspot.com My video game review site.

Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

"Regardless of your citizenship, the terms of the DMCA is the same, and violating them subjects you to the same penalties as someone living in any other country."

How would that work, legally speaking? How could someone residing in another country be subject to penalities that work only under the laws of the United-States?

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Living in Canada can be a very good thing, you know. We enjoy the universal healthcare and gun-free environment of an European country while getting all of our games released at the same time as in the US.

Living in Canada is awesome. We enjoy the universal healthcare and gun-free environment of a European country while getting all of our games released at the same time as the US.

Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

Yeah, that was probably a bad example. However, the basic idea is the same. Sony has the right to know who all is involved in trying to circumvent the copy protection of their system. Regardless of where they live. They may not be able to press charges against Brazilians, Canadians, or Egyptians specifically, but like I said before, they're going to be used as ammo against Hotz, whether they like it or not.

The point I'm trying to make is that Sony is going after Hotz, not his fans.

The man dug his own grave, he needs to lie in it.

"Power means nothing without honor and pride."

http://grifsgamereviews.blogspot.com My video game review site.

Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

GGrr I should post the PS3 key again!..oh wait... nnaawwww I dun want to be baned again :P


I have a dream, break the chains of copy right oppression! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/2010/05/21/cigital-disobedience/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

What's the difference between this and jailbreaking your iPhone? They both do the same thing, and supposedly violate the DMCA, yet one is legal while the other isn't? 

Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

Within copy right law cell phones are exempt. But you still can not trade in hacks/cracks I think.


I have a dream, break the chains of copy right oppression! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/2010/05/21/cigital-disobedience/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

Yeah, but isn't that a new thing? Before the SCOTUS ruled on that they were under the same rules, right? 

Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

SCoTUS didn't rule on anything.

Every 3 years the public has teh option of petitioning the Copyright Office for exemptions to the DMCA. This past petition won the right to Jailbreak iPhones and a handful of other very specific rights. Next year, we will have to start the process again and all current exceptions will be dropped and we will have to petition for a new set of exemptions.

The whole process is evidence of the convoluted and unmanagable effects of the DMCA's anti circumvention laws. The whole thing needs to be scrapped.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

I can agree with that.


I have a dream, break the chains of copy right oppression! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/2010/05/21/cigital-disobedience/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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http://zippydsm.deviantart.com/

Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

I guess they're getting my IP address.  I'm sure GP's too.

 

Andrew Eisen

Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

That's bullshit! You make a circus of this whole case and now you want to blame people that visit the site? I will not be treated like a criminal! I dont' recall if I've been to his site, but if I have, this is a gross infrignement of my rights. I don't even have a PS3, so what harm can I do? Sony will come to regret this, I'm certain. The people will not stand for it. This whole case is nothing but an attempt at legalized terrorism.

-Greevar

-Greevar

"Paste superficially profound, but utterly meaningless quotation here."

Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

Yay! Now every journalist who visited the site or watched the video while researching the story will be identified and accused of copyright infringement. Every person who visted the site or watched the video after reading said story will now be identified and accused of copyright infringement.

This is akin to attempting to idenfy every person in a building when a murder happened and accuse them of accessory to murder just because of proximity.

If I were one of these people, and unfortunately I am not, I would sue Sony for harrasment and the judge for violation of my constitutional rights.

E. Zachary Knight
Oklahoma City Chapter of the ECA
http://www.theeca.com/chapters_oklahoma

Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

Zach, dude, how did you come up with such a preposterous conclusion? Only idiots would do such thing.

This is Sony working on the case, not the government. You'll be fine.

But if you did happen to be one of the people involved, I wish the judge's hands weren't tied by the fetters of the law so he would indulge the tradition of our illustrious forebears, reach back to a purer, sterner justice, and have you all BUUUURRRNNNED AT THE STAAAAAKE!!!!!!  

Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

While Sony would most certainly get that information, I doubt they'd actually attempt to bring charges to anyone who didn't actually download the jailbreak file in question, since they wouldn't have done anything against the DMCA.

Also, you can't sue for harrasment until harrasment actually occurs, so your final statement is jumping the gun a bit.

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Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

*nods* my guess is that they are simply hoping to find california IP addresses, thus show that it was distributed to CA and thus it is the proper venue for the lawsuit.

Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

Yeah, the general opinion is Sony going for jurisdicition, proving that CA residents got the information. But you can't argue that with all the information Sony could very well go after anyone/everyone involved in any fashion that Sony see fit.

Re: Sony Gets Subpoena Green Light in Geohot Case

Such as, for example, taking those IPs and banning them from PSN out of spite. I wouldn't discount anything at this point.

 
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