George Hotz PayPal Subpoena Limited to California, Court Docs Reveal

March 16, 2011 -

According to a number of new court documents obtained by PSX-Scene, Sony's subpoena to obtain information on George Hotz's PayPal account has been limited to contributions made in California. That means that Sony can get information on contributions / donations made to the PS3 Jailbreaker from California between January 1, 2009, to February 1, 2011. From court documents:

"Okay. All right. Well, then, I'll limit it, as requested. I will limit it to documents sufficient to identify any source of funds in California that went into that PayPal account -- any PayPal account associated with geohot at gmail dot com for the period January 1, '09, to February 1, '11. And ask the plaintiff to redraft their subpoena accordingly."

There is also some clarification in the court transcript (from Sony's lawyer) as to what Sony will be looking for on Hotz' personal computer:

"That's right. We're just trying to establish that that computer somehow hooked up to the PSN; the PlayStation Network. Additionally, we're looking for information, such as any of the Sony Developer Kit tools that might be contained on that computer. That information would only be distributed by Sony Computer Entertainment America, and would establish contacts between SCEA and Mr. Hotz.

...at the end of the day, he would have something belonging to SCEA that he should have licensed.

And one of his contentions is that he's not aware of Sony Computer Entertainment America being in California. And we believe that the SDK -- the developer's kit -- would contain information showing him that SCEA is in California." 

Check out the document dump at PSX-Scene.


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Re: George Hotz PayPal Subpoena Limited to California, ...

Ah don't you love the system that allows the dead and grandmothers with no computing devices to be sued into the ground as well as sue a guy for reverse engineering and daring to post about it....


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Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: George Hotz PayPal Subpoena Limited to California, ...

"Reverse engineering"? That's how you're justifying it? I swear, you kids say the silliest things. Hotz knew what he was doing, and he knew it was wrong. There's no two ways about it. To the stocks with him!

"Power means nothing without honor and pride."

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Re: George Hotz PayPal Subpoena Limited to California, ...

If the DMCA did not try to ban our rights Sony would have no ground to go after him on obscure civil grounds. I do not enjoy corporate sponsored martial law and that is what we are living under these days. Its only a matter of time before the gas chambers figuratively start up...


I have a dream, break the chains of copy right oppression! http://zippydsmlee.wordpress.com/2010/05/21/cigital-disobedience/


Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Let's renegotiate them.

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Re: George Hotz PayPal Subpoena Limited to California, ...

The DMCA doesn't try to ban our rights at all. I fail to see how it's any sort of martial law. It's really quite simple: Don't screw with stuff that doesn't belong to you. You buy a PS3, that doesn't mean you own everything inside. You can legally put stickers, decals, skins, and body mods to the system all you want, but all the inner workings are the property of Sony.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me like you're advocating the legalizing of piracy under the pretense of breaking "copyright oppression".

"Power means nothing without honor and pride."

http://grifsgamereviews.blogspot.com My video game review site.

Re: George Hotz PayPal Subpoena Limited to California, ...

That's hardly what the mentality behind jailbreaking is. The mentality (at least with those with pure intentions) is that users have the right to both

A. know what code is being run under the hardware we paid for,

and

B. run any code that we have the legal rights run, under any hardware that we own.

Were it not for the whole piracy argument, which to be frank is somewhat bunk anyway, (due to the fact that Blu-ray disk sizes discourage all but thse with the fastest internet from downloading ROMs), this would be a non-issue.

Most people have no disagreement that Sony has the right to protect their software, the issues comes when they try to make a sacrifical lamb out of someone.

If Geo had really done something majorly wrong, they they would not be trying to spin the story nearly as much. If what he did was 100% for-sure illegal, then New Jersey would be just as good a place to have the trial as California. Instead of fighting him in court, they seem to just want to drain him of his ability to fight this suit, both monetarilly and mentally.

Persoanlly to me, it seems like Sony is less afraid of people pirating Sony software, and more afraid of what hackers can make the PS3 hardware do. For example Sony releases a new pay to download browser, the hacker could release a better one with custom firmware. People analyze the two, and go custom, Sony loses sales. Or perhaps even more likely, Sony is going to make a new propritary Other OS, but charge for it, and create it's own app store, much like Apple iOS and App Store.

If the hackers can create firmware that allows them to run Linux, then the odds of Sony making money with their own OS, plumit.

I'm all for Sony stopping piracy, but they seem to have other motives for utterly terrifying everyone who breaks into the PS3. THe PS2, the PSP, thee PSP Go, even they didn't throw nearly as big a fit over those consoles.

I personally, am asking myself; why so much fuss over the PS3?




 

Re: George Hotz PayPal Subpoena Limited to California, ...

I partially agree with that. Although I personally believe that there aren't enough "pure-minded" people out there who just want to find out what code is being run. I see this kind of thing every day, and just about everyone wants to mod their systems to be able to play free games.

Secondly... Who cares what kind of code it runs? Curiosity is one thing, but seriously? You can just call Sony and I'm sure their dev team would LOVE to tell you. I've gone over this several times on other topics, but just because you bought a system doesn't mean you own it lock, stock, and barrel. You own the body. Meaning you can put stickers, decals, and skins on it all you want. But anything under the hood is a no-no.

A better idea: If these people are so smart, why don't they just build their own system, and use their own custom firmware, and make their own games that people can play for free? If they're so sure their way is better, why not make it themselves and compete, instead of piggybacking off what Sony has already done?

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