School Shooter: North American Tour 2012 Dropped from ModDB

March 24, 2011 -

Mod hosting site ModDB has succumbed to pressure from outside sources and has removed the Half-Life 2 mod, School Shooter: North American Tour 2012, from its database. In an open letter to its community, ModDB founder Scott "INtense!" Reismanis said that the site pulled the mod down after "getting quite a bit of mainstream press due to the controversial nature of the content." He went on to say that he got a lot of threatening mail from various sources and the authors of that mail believed that ModDB were the mod's creators.

The Half-Life 2 mod was created by mod group Checkerboarded Studios. The group was obviously pushing the enevelope when it came to its mod. "You are free to do whatever you want. As long as it involves shooting people," reads part of the mod's description.

In a response to Kotaku, Jamie "pawnstick" Lombe from Checkerboarded Studios said that ModDB simply removed their modification without informing them. He went on to say that he would have been willing to make changes to the page to point out that ModDB was in no way responsible for the mod:

"ModDB should not have handled it in such a rash way," Lombe said. "I would have been willing to make modifications to the page to state that ModDB is in no way affiliated with the development instead of removing the mod suddenly and not even sending me an email informing that my mod was removed."

Regardless of who hosts it in the future, Lombe promises that the mod will be released and development continues. ModDB did not say that Jack Thompson played any part in the mod's removal, nor did it mention any pressure from Valve Software - for the record.

Source: Kotaku by way of Uncharted NES.


Comments

Re: School Shooter: North American Tour 2012 Dropped from ...

Cue Jack Thompson claiming a meaningless victory in 3...2...1...

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I understand why ModDB caved, but they should have at least informed the creators. Either way, I am also glad that development will continue and that the developer won't be cowed into silence. While I find the content disturbing, to say the least, they have the right to make such a mod and distribute it.

Re: School Shooter: North American Tour 2012 Dropped from ...

See,  I get  this feeling that the mod was not even remotely fun in the first place.

Re: School Shooter: North American Tour 2012 Dropped from ...

But now it's been made all cool by being made forbidden and dangerous.

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ModDB = EPIC FAIL

If you are gonna to produce a controvertial game just for the sake for controversy, please, don´t chicken out on last minute just because some idiots on the press and by e-mail are making empty threats over your mod.

What´s the point then? Now more people will complain every time a new violent game is being developed and they are gonna mention you about how you back off of it.

Thank you so much for the massive load of anti-game ammo you just gave to Jack Thompson´s mentallity club.

Yes. I mad.

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ModDB had nothing to do with it's production - they merely hosted the download link.  HUGE difference.

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Re: School Shooter: North American Tour 2012 Dropped from ...

If this is the sort of chilling effect that can be caused by the California law being considered, just imagine the mess it would make it if passed...

Re: School Shooter: North American Tour 2012 Dropped from ...

what's a nevelope? 

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I'm so glad we live in a society where one can express oneself without fear of intimidation or threaten- oh.  Oh, wait.  Nevermind.  Whether it's a school shooting mod, or a gay-"curing" app, or whatever, you can either be bullied and intimidated into silence, or at least the places that host your expression can be bullied and intimidated into silencing you.

All in the name of "progress".

Re: School Shooter: North American Tour 2012 Dropped from ...

I got escorted out of a primary school for yelling swear words like "c**t" and "f**k" in front of kids - can you believe that? They took away my freedom to do that!

Re: School Shooter: North American Tour 2012 Dropped from ...

That'ssss a nissssse sssstraw man that you got there... would be a ssssshame if sssssomething wasssss to happen to it...

Re: School Shooter: North American Tour 2012 Dropped from ...

Now, now, to be fair, he probably wants to be treated like a child and be shielded from reality, so from his perspective it's a valid comparison.  ;)

Re: School Shooter: North American Tour 2012 Dropped from ...

Ad hominem attacks? How unbecoming of you.

It was an extreme example (the more common one is whether shouting 'FIRE!' in a crowded cinema constitutes free speech) but the point remains - we don't have absolute and utter freedom to do anything we want, we have laws to encourage and maintain order. It's not taking freedom away if there's a reason behind the law or reasoning of the group doing so. Otherwise, prove me wrong - go ahead and do some dubious act like I mentioned, but to then cry that you're being persecuted is inane in my opinion.

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It is taking freedom away, whether there is a valid reason or not.  You don't have the freedom to run around and murder people, and that freedom is curtailed for good reason.  However, the freedom being restricted here is not for any valid reason.  Nobody is harmed or threatened by this mod.  Nobody even has to actually see it unless they go out of their way to install and play it.  They are simply offended by its mere existence, and they want to make sure nobody is able to see it.  Adults ought to have the right to choose for themselves what they want to see, hear, play, etc.  The right to be offensive is absolutely more important than the non-existent "right" to not be offended.  If you don't believe that, then you don't believe in freedom of expression, because you can't have one without the other.

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*thumbs up*

That was a much better formulated argument ;)

Re: School Shooter: North American Tour 2012 Dropped from ...

But it has a critical shortage of snark.  I love me some good snark.  ;)

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Straw Man: "a weak or sham argument set up to be easily refuted"

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So yeah, I still say your initial post falls within that definition and I'll add the addition you wrote in your second paragraph to this accusation as well. However, I agree with you that ad hominem attacks should be avoided, so MechaTama31, please be civil.

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I think that the mod is pretty deplorable and agree with the decision to remove it.  But you can't say that you support freedom of speech on one hand and censor with the other.

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Re: School Shooter: North American Tour 2012 Dropped from ...

I feel conflicted in much the same way myself.  I feel the mod was designed deliberately to elicit this type of reaction.  I'd feel better if the makers were trying to make some legitmate point, but from what I've read in interviews, it seemed like they were just being real-life trolls.  And as has been pointed out in the comments, at the end of the day it's ModDB's site, and they put what they want on it at their discretion.

I'd like to know too, though, what the nature of the threats were and who sent them.  Was JT one of them?  Probably not, but knowing him, he's still going to want to take credit for it, even if he wasn't involved.

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Be that as it may, freedom of speech does come with some responsibility and consequences.

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While I personally agree that ModDB could have handled this with a little more tact - at the very least as far as discussing the matter with with Checkerboard - Mr. Lombe has no right to say how they "should" have handled it.  It's not his site to run.

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Anti-Human Rights forces are everywhere and every time someone caves in to these terrorists, whether they be violent or non-violent terrorists, Human Rights suffers.

And, yes, contrary to misinformation by Anti-Human Rights groups and individuals, Freedom of Speech/Expression IS a Human Right, recongized by the Universal Declarartion of Human Rights, Article 19.  Said argument does NOT limit protections from government infringment but, rather, states that Freedom of Speech/Expression is the Right of every individual.

I wish I hosted such a site as ModDB.  I'd happily allow the game there, regardless of whether the game interested me for my own pleasure or not.

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Re: School Shooter: North American Tour 2012 Dropped from ...

I'm sorry, but I've got to say this. First, total dicks the origins of the complaints may be, but please, let's not throw around the word "terrorist" this easily. And you're right, freedom of speech is a human right. However, it's isn't limiting speech to not allow something on someone else's forum, cowardly as it may have been.

If anything, I hope you can make that site a reality.

 

 

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I'm not throwing the word terrorist around lightly.  I'm very serious about it.  Any individual or organization who poses a threat to Human Rights, in whole or part and whether through violent or non-violent means, should be considered a terrorists.  Just because the victims of this terrorist threat aren't ending up in tiny little pieces doesn't mean something vital isn't being taken from them by force, even non-violent force.  Military forces are always speaking about fighting to protect one's Freedoms.  The same is true when fighting non-violent forces that seek to deprive others of Freedoms.  And, therefore, those who threaten those Freedoms should be considered just as much terrorists as those who carry bombs or guns.

And the site may very well have such a Right to decide whether they will or will not carry such material.  They have as much Right to receive or not receive certain material as they have the Right to transmit or not transmit that material.  HOWEVER, the terrorists who harrassed and even threatened the site owners and, perhaps, even the author WERE violating the Human Rights of others.  The terrorists were not merely saying "we don't like this material and we aren't going to play it and we're not going to let our own children play it".  They, in fact, were harrassing and threatening the site to deny OTHERS their Right to make their own choice.  They set out to deprive OTHERS of their Human Rights.  In effect "We don't like it and we don't want YOU to have the Right to decide whether to receive or transmit this material!"  There IS a big difference and by working to deprive OTHERS of their Rights, they earned the title of terrorist, non-violent (thus far) they may be.  Soldiers with guns, missles, and other tools to "defend our Freedoms" may not be able to protect the Freedoms that these terrorists are seeking to deprive others of, but it doesn't make this fight any less a fight for Freedom and Human Rights.

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"ModDB did not say that Jack Thompson played any part in the mod's removal"

Que Jack Thompson running his mouth off for another "victory"....

In all seriousness if ModDB didn't like the ideal of a school shooting mod they should have never hosted in the first place. Now they're open to have other mods remove becase "someone gotta think of the children" 

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They didn't say it was because they didn't like it.  They said it was because uninformed asshats sent threatening messages.  Obviously, without seeing said messages, we can't determine how serious those threats may be, but it IS their prerogative.

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Re: School Shooter: North American Tour 2012 Dropped from ...

Wonder how many of those our old buddy sent.

Re: School Shooter: North American Tour 2012 Dropped from ...

Way to keep your integrity, ModDB. I guess you're going to cave in every time someone doesn't like one of the mods hosted on the site from now on.

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