Common Sense Media: SCOTUS Decision Disappointing for 'All Who Care About Kids'

June 27, 2011 -

As you can probably guess even before you read the official statement from Common Sense Media, they are not pleased with the Supreme Court's ruling on Brown v. EMA today. The children’s advocacy group said in its reaction statement to the decision that they were disappointed and felt that parents had been let down by the court.

But the Supreme Court isn't congress or the president of the United States; in other words they should really only concern themselves with their area expertise - the law as it relates to our constitution. Nevertheless the group that is squarely against the videogame industry voiced its strong opinion that the court erred in its decision. Below is the full statement from Common Sense Media CEO James Steyer:

"Today’s decision is a disappointing one for parents, educators, and all who care about kids. But the fight is far from over. Advocates for kids and families can work within the scope of this ruling to protect the best interests of kids. An overwhelmingly high percentage of parents would support a bill that would prevent their kids from walking into a store and buying the most ultra-violent and sexually violent of video games. That decision should be in the hands of parents, not kids or video game vendors, and certainly not the video game ratings board, which recently approved the Dead Space 2 ad campaign that clearly markets a Mature-rated game to kids. We respectfully disagree with the Court when it comes to their analysis of the First Amendment rights of children and families -- this is a sanity issue, not a censorship issue.

If parents decide a violent game is okay for their kid, that’s one thing, but millions of kids are not able to judge the impact of ultra-violence on their own. Today, the multi-billion dollar video game industry is celebrating the fact that their profits have been protected, but we will continue to fight for the best interests of kids and families. Moreover, we look forward to working with national and state policy makers on another common sense solution in the very near future.
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Thanks to Andrew Eisen for the tip.


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"That decision should be in the hands of parents, not kids or video game vendors, and certainly not the video game ratings board..."

This needs a little editing. Give me a second.

"That decision should be in the hands of the goverment, not kids parents, or video game vendors, and certainly not the video game ratings board..."

Fixed. Crappy Sense Media they are.

 

 - W

Consumer responsibility is just as important as Corporate responsibility. So, be responsible consumers.

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Ah Common Sense Media. Media with no sense what-so-ever.

Common Sense isn't that common, that is why it should be renamed to Good Sense.

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Their name is ironic.

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....this is a sanity issue, not a censorship issue.

Nope. It's a censorship issue. Unless such a law is tailored to take into account the similar impact of other forms of media on the same cognitive functions, it is tailored to censor a specific kind of speech. Even the Supreme Court hinted at the dichotomy of singling out computer games.

Until someone comes up with a law that does not discriminate against a specific kind of media, it will, now and always, fall into the censorship box.

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I´ll be translating:

- If parents decide a violent game is okay for their kid, that’s one thing, but millions of kids are not able to judge the impact of ultra-violence on their own.

Kids and parents are stupid as fuck. We are the ones who will take all desicions for them. No one else but us knows what is right.

- Today, the multi-billion dollar video game industry is celebrating the fact that their profits have been protected,

That´s unfair. We must get a cut of all that profit just because we exist to complain about everything we don´t like.

- but we will continue to fight for the best interests of kids and families.

We will expend more money from donations to push our agenda and opinions inside the throats of everybody.

- Moreover, we look forward to working with national and state policy makers on another common sense solution in the very near future."

We´ll also encourage more politicians to keep wasting tax money to supress freedom of speech for everyone. We are insane and we´ll prove it in the very near future.

 

Dear CSM:

Please stop. You hate freedom of speech. You hate anything that is different from your warped worldview. "Common sense" is the one last thing you should be appealing, because nothing of what you do is even sane.

You even hate children and don´t care for them. They are just tools to keep pushing your ridiculous ideas on the throats of everybody else and don´t care for the laws of your very own country.

You have failed again in understand what the people really need from you, and the events of the past monday just proves how wrong you really are and your methods will get you nowhere.

You are useless and a waste of time for everybody. You have lost the war.

 

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Dear Common Sense Media,

I will listen to you when you treat all forms of media equally. Until then... you just sound dumb.

-Ax

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Dear Common Sense Media,

 

 Everytime I read one of your press releases, I just have the sudden urge to play New York Echo and yell:

 

SHUT THE F^(K UP!

 

 

Your Eternal and Implaciable enemy,

Ada

 

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Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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Yes, of course.  Since I don't agree with you, and am not disappointed by this ruling, I must not care about kids.  Bravo, CSM.  Way to win hearts and minds with your open and inclusive attitude.

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As much as I hate resorting to memes:

 

The sarcasm! IT'S OVER 9000!!!

 

Hunting the shadows of the troubled dreams.

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Re: Common Sense Media: SCOTUS Decision Disappointing for ...

Im starting to think they care/think a bit too much about children O_o

its the parents right to choose making a law that forces a choice on them is not choosing.

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Just in case you care about what the Parents Television Council has to say, check this : https://www.parentstv.org/PTC/news/release/2011/0627a.asp

"We call on the Entertainment Merchants Association to redouble its efforts for increased enforcement of the industry’s age-based vending restrictions. The Federal Trade Commission and the PTC’s own ‘Secret Shopper’ campaigns have routinely demonstrated an abysmal failure rate for video game retailers to uphold the industry’s own age-based restrictions. With the exception of GameStop, many in the video game industry appear to be either unwilling or unable to prevent the sale of M-rated games to kids. Now with no threat of consequence for failure, we are concerned that the self-regulatory efforts will be violated in even greater numbers than they already are. We will be monitoring this very closely."

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 That's an outright lie. Videogame retailers have the highest enforcement rate of any media.

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2011/04/violentkidsent.shtm

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Yes, but since they're the hot new thing, anything belo 200% means their system is a completel failure.

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It's the PTC, lying to push an agenda (which includes making money) is just what they do. I wish Vince/WWE would have really stuck it to them when WWE's lawyers had the chance instead of settling.

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I know about that.

And for the record, I absolutely fucking hat the PTC, especially since their so called leader didn't have the balls do say anything against one of our greatest comedians until AFTER he passed away.

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That FTC info is pretty facinating. 13% of kid were able to buy M rated games compared to the 33% who could get tickets to R rated movies, 47% who could get unrated dvds, and 64% who could buy CD with Parental Warning labels.  (As if the fact that a kid was tryin to buy a CD in the first place wasn't a big enough clue).

The store with the worst record, where 20% of kids could buy M rated games was Walmart.  But thats still less than the 30% of kid who could walk into Walmart and get an Unrated DVD.  So a kid that goes in Walmart is more likely to walk out with the Unrated version of Saw than they are a GTA game.

What do these numbers tell me?  Common Sense Media should be holding up the game industry as the model on how to prevent kids from getting violent media.  But instead the try to demonize it instead.

Well , whatever, thankyou SCOTUS and ESRB keep up the excellent work.

 

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I'm tempted to go to the extreme and say that 13% is still too high (Ideally we would not like any kids playing ultra-gorey games like Manhunt or what-have-you, right?), but, hey, let's get our priorities right and focus on the other mediums that are failing to do age-checks before lambasting games.

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Half of that statement is what wikipedia calls "weasel words."

 

Re: Common Sense Media: SCOTUS Decision Disappointing for ...

Sorry but "will someone think of the children" argument isn't going to work forever. Heck its not even as effective as it was years ago.

http://www.magicinkgaming.com/

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"this is a sanity issue, not a censorship issue."

 

He's double-plus-correct. We love you big brother!

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"Today, the multi-billion dollar video game industry is celebrating the fact that their profits have been protected,"

 

I'm sick of hearing this. Really. It's here and in Yee's response. Since when did the gaming industry become the tobacco industry or fast-food industry? They are not out there to make a buck out of corrupting young children. The game industry is full of creative minds who do a fantastic job at telling stories and creating intereting experiences. They are artists. They are not evil boogeymen in suits.

Re: Common Sense Media: SCOTUS Decision Disappointing for ...

Except Bobby Kotick.

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Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong.

James Steyer is also a motard. SCOTUS' correct decision today is actually encouraging for parents, as it keeps the decision-making in their hands, not takes it away. It only takes away the states' right to restrict access of "violent" material to minors in place of the parents. It also didn't take away the retailers' right to regulate their own employees, it took away the states' right to do so in place of the retailers.

Therefore, that would-be pedophile Steyer is not fighting for the best interests of kids or parents.

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You're dissapointing for all those caring for commen sense.

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i still want to know of these "sexually violent" games these people constantly refer too.

tmk there aren't any actually violent ones on the american market (outside of those played out in some peoples uninformed skulls), but i could be wrong, and either way aren't they already essentially

a. age restricted BY LAW

b. effectivelly banned from general retail sales anyways under the same laws

 

??

the rest i can understand, but they said it themselves, the PARENTS should choose. though it contradicts their purpose in FORCING the parents to choose by fining them under law, they almost got the picture.

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Apparently "common sense" was redefined when no one was looking.

Re: Common Sense Media: SCOTUS Decision Disappointing for ...

 'common sense' was always crap.

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Um...I care about my kid and everyone else's and I'm perfectly happy with the decision.

So...if we should be able to decide what our kids play, why are you supporting a bill that would let the government take that decision away from us?

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Seconded.  I'm a parent, a gamer, and I've worked on a few "ultra-violent" video games, and I fully support the decision.

And let me be clear.  I don't think kids should play really violent games.  But that's my decision to make for my kid.  I certainly wouldn't trust CSM, any government agency, or the ESRB to make that decision for me.

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Chris Kimberley

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Eh.

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If parents decide a violent game is okay for their kid, that’s one thing, but millions of kids are not able to judge the impact of ultra-violence on their own.

you would think that common sense dictates that those millions of kids also have parents but then again, as usual, CSM lacks any

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Re: Common Sense Media: SCOTUS Decision Disappointing for ...

Common Sense Media: Caring about your kids so you don't have to.

Re: Common Sense Media: SCOTUS Decision Disappointing for ...

 Ah.. caring about kids... the Goodwin of modern politics...

 
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