Survey Says: Adults Think States Should Have Right to Ban Games

July 5, 2011 -

A new survey from Rasmussen Reports reveals that around 67 percent of U.S. adults think that states should be allowed to bar the sale or rental of violent video games to minors. Around 28 percent of U.S. adults said states should be barred from enacting prohibitions on sales and rentals of such games to minors.

Around 39 percent said video game developers and publishers should be held liable if it could be proven that their games led to someone committing a violent criminal act, while 45 percent said that developers and publishers should not be held liable.

Finally, 79 percent of Americans believe that parents are more responsible than the government (4 percent thought the opposite) when it comes to limiting the amount of sex and violence children are exposed to in video games.

The survey conducted by Rasmussen Reports is based on nationwide interviews conducted with 1,000 adults. The survey has a margin of error of 3 percentage points.

Source: UPI

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Why not solve this once and for all, it's simple. No minor gets to buy anything, it can only come through their parents.

 

 

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This is the reason why Supreme Court justices are so important. Sometimes they're the last line of defense against the tyranny of the majority.

 

I hate broccoli/ and think it totally sucks/ Why isn't it meat?

I hate broccoli/ and think it totally sucks/ Why isn't it meat?

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Do all the studies you want, but you can't treat one form of media differently than the others.

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It occurs to me that there was a time when a majority of Americans would answer "no" to the question "Should blacks be allowed to vote?"  I wonder what the result of this poll will be 50 years from now.

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Fortunately, we have a Bill of Rights ensuring that a simple majority doesn't get to make these decisions.

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The majority of the adult voting population are retards and probably shouldn't be allowed to vote to begin with so what's the point. Americans only believe in less government when it suits them, otherwise, bring on the nanny-state. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

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Actually, I've always thought hypocrisy at its finest was somebody insulting others' intelligence in a post where literally every single sentence contains a grammatical error.

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O.K, the retard remark was way out of line, and I shouldn't have posted that. Things like this just really irk me, especially when a large part of the population votes on the basis of one or two issue alone. i.e. - poor religious whites voting for republicans, solely because they're against abortion or; blacks voting for Obama, solely because he's black, ect. That was what the gist of my post was about. That many americans are POLICALLY WISE, quite stupid and naive. I just went about it in a douchebag manner, sorry.

 "No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

"No law means no law" - Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black on the First Amendment

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These people don't know that this would make stores stop stocking video games for anyone of any age because of its adult rating and I'm sure they don't care either.

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Especially if each state set their own rules, as it could make it next to impossible to market a game nationally.

It would be the pre-MPAA days all over again.

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1000 adults in a population of of 300 million isn't what I would define as an acceptable sample size anyway.

Besides, this is exactly why the Constitution exists, to protect the fundamental pillars of American society from the spectre of assumption, small mindedness and prejudice that is to be found in every country. It's what makes America different from, say, Iran, the fact that just because people assume something, that doesn't automatically make it fact. If America worked like that, Witches would still be burned at the stake, left-handed people would still be 'touched by Satan' etc.

You only have to look at the plight of Homosexuals in many countries to see that what people 'think' is fact is often several miles from an impartial point of view.

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Stats 101: The size of a population has nothing to do with the acceptable size of a sample. If the sample is large enough that there's a less than five percent chance of getting those results by random chance, it's an acceptable sample (assuming that sample was selected by appropriate methods in the first place, but that has nothing to do with the size of the sample). The size of the sample relative to the size of the population never enters into it. Ever.

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Seems silly to me, sheer chance could cause a polarisation of results, I would have thought a higher sample size would greatly reduce the chance of an accidental lilting of the data to one side or another. After all how do we know there is less than a 5% chance of randomly picking a large number of people with a pro-censorship mentality?

With most other branches of science, the higher number of samples tested, the less fallible the results, if you are going to test only 0.0000003% of the sample size, then it seems to me that there would be plenty of opportunity for the data to be skewed without the samplers even knowing it.

I suppose that's where the saying 'Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics' comes from...

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Sheer chance can cause that massive polarisation of results, and if you look at their website they state (though this isn't linked into any of the articles) that the methods used have a 95% level of confidence, which just means that the value ranges returned (the +/- 3) will include the true value 95% of the time.

 

So sure, 64-70% blah blah could think that, but there's a 1/20 shot they're wrong and the number falls outside that range.

 

As long as the sample is large enough for the confidence interval they want (95% in this case, which is basically industry standard) then it generally represents the variability of the population (unless the 1/20 comes up). Though I would've liked to have seen what their math would result if they'd applied a 99% confidence to their data.

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After all how do we know there is less than a 5% chance of randomly picking a large number of people with a pro-censorship mentality?

You're sitting at a computer with an Internet connection.  Instead of typing the question into a comment box, try typing it into a search box.

Wikipedia's entry on sample size has the math.

With most other branches of science, the higher number of samples tested, the less fallible the results

Yes, but you run up against diminishing returns quickly.  The difference between 60% certainty and 95% certainty is pretty significant, but the difference between 95% certainty and 99% certainty?  Well, if you're machining components for a bridge, it might be worth the expense of increasing your sample size by 50% for those four points, but if you're just conducting a political poll, that much cost for that little yield is insane.

if you are going to test only 0.0000003% of the sample size

Assuming you meant "population size", two things:

1. 1,000 / 300,000,000 is 0.000003, or 0.0003%, which is 1000 times the number you gave.

2. Not all 300 million people in America are adults.  Given that the survey is supposed to represent the population of American ADULTS, the sample size is upwards of 0.0004% of the population size.  Or roughly 1300 times the number you gave.

In short: it's perfectly reasonable to question sampling methods, and better yet to look at the phrasing of questions to see if it might bias a respondent (as EZK did in the first comment).  But the sample size is fine.

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If you say so, I am, by my own admittance, not a statistics person, but 1000 does still seems an awfully small number of people to ask in order to form an interpretation of the opinion of a vastly higher number. The percent sign after 0.000003 was a mistake, though good point about the Adult/Child ratio, that makes sense.

One thing though, with respect, there's no real reason to be quite so condascending in your first sentence, it's the whole reason I stopped coming to this site so often, because I got tired of people ridiculing those they didn't agree with or when they make a mistake rather than discussing the matter, I said at the time that it had caught 'Jack Thompson disease', and I came back because I hoped it might have died down a bit by now. The whole reason I didn't do an Internet search on it is because it was 2am (hence the typo in the number of 0's used) and I'm not really in the mood for statistics lessons. My first post stated that "it isn't what I would define as an acceptable sample size", if there is a reason why it is, then it is perfectly possible to explain that without talking down to people and for most of your post you did exactly that, it's just a pity the first sentence sort of ruined it.

This whole attitude is exemplified by the fact that I posted considerably over a paragraph of opinion, and only the first sentence, which was stated as a personal point of view, has actually recieved any level of response with the rest of it being entirely ignored.

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Because democracy has always been such a good tool for civil rights and consitutional law....

 

 

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Survey says: 100 percent of me thinks parents should probably learn how to monitor their children themselves. 

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All this means is that we still have a lot of education work left to do.

 

Andrew Eisen

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On which front? It's not enough to simply tout the ratings system. We need to show that kids playing violent games is not a major issue. We need to remove this notion that there is a problem with kids buying M-rated games (partially because it's not true, and partially because the harm has never been shown), and the stigma that anyone who lets their kids play such games is automatically a bad parent. Scalia's opinion had it right when he said, "the state has enacted what they believe parents ought to want."

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All of the above and more.

 

Andrew Eisen

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Start with the pollsters.  That thing was designed to "prove" one point, and you can tell.

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Here are we -- and yonder yawns the universe.

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"Around 39 percent said video game developers and publishers should be held liable if it could be proven that their games led to someone committing a violent criminal act"

You don't hold the alchohol companies liable when some idiot chooses to drive drunk and ends up killing someone or themselves. Not to mention there's no evidence video game violence causes real-life violence. 

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years ago the newspaper comic Zits poked fun using the exact same method, except Jeremy said with a straight face that the automobile industry should be held accountable for every traffic accident. this was a reply to his father, who jumped the gun and pointed it at videogames after reading about a crime in the morning paper, and his mom then said something along the lines of "checkmate"

the strip in question can be found in either the Humongous Zits or the Big Honkin' Zits treasuries from 2000-01

岩「if Phyllis Schlafly wants to undo Women's Rights, she should lead by example and get back in the kitchen」

岩「…I can see why Hasselbeck's worried about fake guns killing fake people. afterall, she's a fake journalist on a fake news channel」

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True, but i think some states have laws that hold bartenders or bar owners liable damages caused by drunks... or there have atleast been attempts to make laws to have them held liable

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For those wondering, here is the wording and order of the questions in their survey:

1* How concerned are you about the level of violence in many video games today?

2* Do violent video games lead to more violence in our society?

3* Should states be allowed to prohibit the sale or rental of violent video games to minors?

4* Who is more responsible for limiting the amount of sex and violence children are exposed to in video games – video game makers, the government or parents?

5* Should the makers of violent video games be held liable in court if it can be shown that their games led to someone committing a violent act?

 

I think the order of the questions had an effect on the response to question 3. Build up the spector of violence spawned from violent game play, then yes, I think more people would think regulation is necessarry.

Here is the link to their full report.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifesty...

E. Zachary Knight
Divine Knight Gaming

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To know that, we need to know how many people believe violent games contribute to violence in society. Although, oftentimes the percentage that favors a ban is higher than those who believe games cause violence.

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Using the link I provided, I found the percentages you asked about:

But 65% of all Americans are at least somewhat concerned about the level of violence in many video games today, including 45% who are Very Concerned. Thirty-three percent (33%) are not very or not at all concerned.

Fifty-five percent (55%) believe violent video games lead to more violence in our society. Thirty percent (30%) don’t think that’s true, but another 16% are not sure.

Now this doesn't prove my theory, but it does shed some light on it. Roughly the same percentage of people who said states whould be allowed to regulate are concerned about violence and adding the percentage of people who believe game violence leads to real violence and the percentage who are not sure, you get roughly the same figure.

It would not surprise me that the over lap of these questions was near exact. Meaning that the people who are in the majority percentages are one and the same. I highly doubt a person who is not concerned about violence and does not believe violce in games leads to real violence would support state regulation.

E. Zachary Knight
Divine Knight Gaming

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EZK is right. I love this classic example from a programme called Yes Minister. Ask the questions in a certain order and you can get a different response however you like!

http://users.aims.ac.za/~mackay/probability/survey.html

 
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