Notch: Having Steam Dominate PC Market Would be 'Scary'

March 16, 2012 -

Speaking to GameSpy, Minecraft creator and Mojang front man Markus "Notch" Persson said that having Steam as the only source for digital distribution would be "scary," even though he generally support Valve Software's platform. Steam's platform currently has more than 40 million subscribers.

"I think it's a bit dangerous to only have one digital distribution platform like Steam," he said. "I love Valve, but out of principle, I find the idea of one platform a bit scary."

Persson went on to say that competition from platforms like Desura, Origin, and Impulse is good for the market. He did say that some of the things that EA has done with Origin are not so good.

"Origin does a couple things badly compared to Steam, which is impressive since they had eight years to study Steam," he said. "They should definitely have a chance to do their thing, but they might want to move away from titles that make people use it and show people why they should use it."

Origin currently has 11 million registered users, according to EA.

Source: GameSpot


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Re: Notch: Having Steam Dominate PC Market Would be 'Scary'

A: Notch could say anything and the press would fawn over it.

B: Origin could do anything and the commenters would shit on it.

These are the two constants to internet gaming news.

Re: Notch: Having Steam Dominate PC Market Would be 'Scary'

But Notch.. The REASON why Origin does many things badly, is that Origin is EA.

 

In the past 15 years, EA as a company has shown that it's far too willing to favor stockholders and profits over consumers, to the point where it's impressive if they aren't doing massive false advertising at a daily basis:

  • Culling master servers (killing off MP-centric console games) +1 year of retail
  • Unfair competition (Origin not carrying directly competing products, purchasing exclusive rights for franchises, buying and dismantling upstart companies instead of improving on own products)
  • Crunching (with all it's evils; bugs, unfinished/unpolished, inexcusable labor treatment)
  • Intrusive DRM (and other things, including but not limited to rootkits, extreme datamining)
  • On-Disc DLC and other price-gouging (Which with ME3 now includes false advertising via producer claims)
  • Franchise hogging, dismantling (see Syndicate for epic example)
  • Abysmal support, patching
  • Disfavoring PC users (to the point of leaving old games unplayable due to online checks, changes)
  • Purchased ratings
  • 60$ (need I say more?)
  • Sequelism (why make 1 good game/expansion when 3 mediocre games can earn 4 times as much? - see EA Sports)

This why I would rather have a thousand Steam's than a single Origin; They may not allow you to install different places, or for that matter install games without Steam..

..But at least they don't treat you as anything from asocial brats suffering from autism to downright criminals.

Impulse I've used in the past. Same with D2D I believe. But Steam has for very obvious reasons become my main digital store of use. They are not EA, the satans of videogaming, nor their apprentices Ubisoft and Activision.

Re: Notch: Having Steam Dominate PC Market Would be 'Scary'

I definitely agree with him, but the problem we're having nowadays is we're either being forced to use Steam (due to developers using Steamworks) or we're forced to use Origin (for any EA game).

There are other platforms like D2D but I haven't found a single game that requires I install my game from D2D, since the platform doesn't work like that. Steam does, and that's why I absolutely despise Steam.

Origin would be viable competition if it weren't for the fact that we're not only forced to use it for any EA game but it also invades our privacy and apparently EA are "allowed" to do that.

It's my belief that Steam already does dominate the market, and whilst competition would be nice, I don't think Steam dominating the digital distribution network is the industries biggest problem, right now.

The biggest problem, as far as I'm concerned, is the developers, publishers and services like Steam deliberately pigeon-holing the consumers into their way of thinking. There aren't many industries who do that with as much force as the games industry does, and it's starting to get tiresome.

Re: Notch: Having Steam Dominate PC Market Would be 'Scary'

FYI D2D has now been merged into Gamefly, and the gamefly client is used to obtain titles. i think they can be gotten without it, but it really simplifies things with it.

though it doesn't require the client to run'em :) and tbh i like that. it does dload/install them though, among other uses.

Re: Notch: Having Steam Dominate PC Market Would be 'Scary'

I hadn't realised D2D merged but if the client isn't required to actually play the games then frankly, I'd rather use that for any downloaded games I buy.

I buy most of mine retail though, and now that more and more are using Steamworks, D2D/Gamefly isn't really an option. Which absolutely sucks.

Re: Notch: Having Steam Dominate PC Market Would be 'Scary'

Where else am I going to go for PC Games with decent deals? GameStop?

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Papa Midnight

Re: Notch: Having Steam Dominate PC Market Would be 'Scary'

Notch has a valid point.  There is an easy fix too.  Steam needs to work with other digital distribution vendors and allow licenses to float between platforms.  Gamers should feel like they have some semblance of control of their digital licenses.  Plus, other platforms have good deals on games but most people really only want to install/run one client.

- Left4Dead Why are zombies always eating brains? I want to see zombies that eat toes for a living. Undead-related pun intended.

Re: Notch: Having Steam Dominate PC Market Would be 'Scary'

tbh they also need to actually have the good sales/deals more often.

have you seen Origins idea of a christmas sale? 10% off 3 or more year old games... wth is that?

lately they've had a few more interesting ones, but ones that aren't likely to go far still. STEAM's constantly got something going on, and even GoG has a weekend promo or two up each week.

I agree though, the client thing is a big one, and tbh of the lot, STEAM offers the most in return for its use. Now if others could either catch up, or work like gamefly's (can run the game without the client) that'd be keen too...

Re: Notch: Having Steam Dominate PC Market Would be 'Scary'

EA needs to get rid of the datamining function of Origin before a LOT of people will start using it.

---You are likely to be eaten by a Grue.

Re: Notch: Having Steam Dominate PC Market Would be 'Scary'

so true tbh.

but lets not forget that STEAM does some of its own mining at times too. But given its pretty much limited to gameplay stats, its hard to hate.

tbh i can't believe how many people think STEAM has no competition, or had none till Origin.. Am i one of only a few that ever knew of things like Greenmangaming, direct2drive (now part of gamefly), or any number of other DD sites?

of the lot i admit steam had the best service (though Gamefly's got a nifty setup going now too) seeing as many had a god aweful amount of verifications to go through. key checks, activations, reactivations.. i always hated dealing with Direct2Drive, their stupid activation server would deauthenticate me constantly somehow and only allowed one active copy of your games at a time! :/ As well as dealing with patches.. ugh, people used to hate on STEAM for being late, at least they auto updated. some others wouldn't even mention it, client or not, and often had terrible site designs that made finding your patches a pain in the arse *glares at D2D again*...

gotta say though, Origin has fixed this recently, among other things. but i REALLY wish i could at least customize where i have my games install... at least steam keeps them wherever i installed steam, no matter the drive letter, but Origin... forces them right into my program files(x86) folder under "Origin games" ..... GMG does something similar as does gamefly :/

if anyone knows a way to alter this, do tell! i mean i have over 100 gig still open on my main drive (out of 1.5 TB :p allll games.. damn i have to many...) but i still prefer to have most things on my alternates just in case of failure of the microsoft variety :p

 

oh as to their 11 mil users.. note that its REGISTERED.. not active. I point this out cause tbh i only use it for ME3 and BF3 strictly myself, and before they FORCED me to get it i avoided it altogether despite i did have some titles through its original EA Downloader service. But due to some really bad service, and the destruction of a game i PAID for (and i still have the pre-order bonuses in my account, but not the game... wtfh?!) among other issues.. well.. Origin has me dubious, but i'm warming up to it a bit. I still kinda prefer the new gamefly client though, i mean install issues aside, it doesn't require you to have any special thing running to play the game. So no pointless clients sucking up resources that aren't needed to be sucked on..

Re: Notch: Having Steam Dominate PC Market Would be 'Scary'

I set Origin to download to my games folder on my second hard drive, and everything is still there and not on my C drive.

You might want to ask the live help about it. I've actually had good responses and service on it so far.

Re: Notch: Having Steam Dominate PC Market Would be 'Scary'

where does it directly install to? cause tbh my origin installation itself is on an entirely different drive (E) despite its auto install to the main drive (... C duh!! :p)

maybe i missed a setting somewhere, i'll hafta fuddle with that. been busy toying with Gamefly's new client more since i actually had a few games from D2D, and they're just starting to popup in that. still haven't found a way to change that one yet either.. ahh well.

Edit:  ahh found it.. must've added that since the last time i was playing with it (tbh its been awhile)

nice..

 
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