Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would be Awesome'

April 25, 2012 -

While some developers are cautious to approve of next-generation game console systems impeding the use of used games software, Crytek's director of creative development is not one of them. Speaking recently to Computer & Video Games, Rasmus Hojengaard said that he thought it was "weird" that second-hand gaming is allowed at all. He also thinks that next-generation systems rumored to block or stop the use of used games "would be absolutely awesome."

"From a business perspective that would be absolutely awesome," he told the publication. "It's weird that [second-hand] is still allowed because it doesn't work like that in any other software industries, so it would be great if they could somehow fix that issue as well."

He went on to say that the other market that has hurt his company is a more shadowy one: piracy. The PC version of Crysis 2 was illegally downloaded about four million times - a situation the company does not want to repeat with Crysis 3.

"We obviously want to avoid that this time, but even if we can convert 25 percent of those gamers into paying customers [you have an extra million sales]," Hojengaard said.

Source: GamesIndustry International


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Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

 

I "know a guy" who pirated Farcry 2...
He played it for abut 5 minutes and then deleted the tech-demo advertised as a game, because it was pure and utter scheit. I'm sure that if my friend had purchased this "game" he would have successfully sued Crytech for misrepresentation.

But I do wonder, how "my friends" piracy transfers to a lost sale?
What scientific proof does Crytech have, that 1 in 4 DLs would have been a sale?

If pulling numbers out of our arses, I can say there are 1'000'000 DL's to a sale...
...and be equally correct.

 

I wish Cry tech would stop Cry-ing about the 2nd hand market and hire an actual gamedesignerwho could turn the products of these Crying Techs into actual games that people would actually want to keep...

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

The day they kill off used games, I will pirate them. It's no one's business if I ever resell a game granted I hardly ever do but I like that right.

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

"if we can convert 25 percent of those gamers into paying customers"

What about the new sales you'd loose?

Developers are forgetting something very serious here. Most people aren't maintaining vast libraries of games anymore. They're selling games back as they buy new ones, sometimes keeping a favorite or two around, often just until the sequel.

The future resale price is part of the purchase decision - the old game you're trading in is part of the purchase price. Games aren't just being bought outright anymore, most of them are really open-ended rentals. $60 is a lot easier to justify when you can get $30 of it back if you finish it before it drops from launch price.

Not to mention a big draw for used game sales: Gamestop gives you significant protection against bad games and damaged disks. You can return a bad game within a week for a full refund - something you can never do with a new game, no matter how cheap it was. And if a new game already has a crack in the disk, something I've encountered, you're stuck with it. Gamestop will at least exchange a damaged used game for another copy.

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

You can get just about anything used. Cars, movies, houses, etc.  Hell...you can get used human organs! So wtf makes them believe their items are above the normal trade and fair use practices of everybody else?

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Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

I purchased Crysis on Steam as I thought it looked need.

 

If I can, I may email Crytek and tell them that that is the one, and ONLY game I will ever purchase from them, PERIOD.

Fuck you Crytek, and, this is rare, I pray you go out of business.

 

If you don't want my money, then you won't be getting it.

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

Don't want people to pirate your games as much?  Don't use DRM.
Want people to buy your games more?  Don't make horrible sequels.
Seriously, Crysis 2 made my brain hurt, and was not something I wanted to pay for.
But that's what friends who buy games used for their multiplayer are for.
 

"If you really want to enslave people, tell them you are going to give them Total Freedom." - L. Ron Hubbard

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

Lack of DRM won't stop piracy. DRM certainly is a welcome challenge to the release groups, but to the users who don't do their own cracking but just go to a torrent site and download their stuff, all that matters is that they want to play the game and the game works. If DRM is gone forever, the release groups will be bored and the players will pirate games just as much. Maybe even slightly more, as there have been games that have proven very difficult to permanently crack and most players give up on them.

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

No, having no DRM will not stop piracy. Piracy cannot be completely stopped, nor can anybody make pathetic assumptions that if there were no piracy that they'd see some huge increase in sales.

People are going to pay for a game, or they are not. It's as simple as that. If they're not going to pay for it, and there's no pirated copy available, they'll just play something else.

No DRM, however, will stop punishing people who actually paid for the game. Or, worse, it will prevent people from buying a game that they actually wanted to buy.

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

Exactly.  Piracy can never be fully stopped unless we are willing to have absolutely no privacy.  But by not punishing me, the paying customer, I am more inclined to buy your game. 

No ubisoft always on DRM?  I'll buy your games.
I will not, however, pay to be inconvenienced.  If I want that, I can figure out ways to do that for free. 

"If you really want to enslave people, tell them you are going to give them Total Freedom." - L. Ron Hubbard

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

twas one of those games where if you didn't read the obscure and mostly unheard of book that recaps the entire game you don't get 2/3 of the story... kind of annoying, and outright terrible since it breaks things IMO...

then they go and i hear killed off the original crew despite all that build up in the first game.. wtfh?! to many damned loose ends.. and i bet its somewhere in that book i'll never see.. ugh.. seriously, if they were that upset over the first games story being weak, they should've just rebooted it instead of claiming sequels.. cause they really do not tie together well IMO, and no amount of background is going to makeup for the oddities...

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

Seriosuly, some developers never learn about pirate. For them, DRM = "Challenge Accepted"

As it show here;

http://www.joystiq.com/2012/03/08/witcher-2-publisher-we-will-never-use-...

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

We have the right to resell almost any other product in the world but somehow consumers having this ability with video games is destroying the industry.  I don't know what I love more, when game companies treat us like idiots or like criminals.

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

Crimidots - a term used to describe people who buy or sell used games.

"If you really want to enslave people, tell them you are going to give them Total Freedom." - L. Ron Hubbard

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

"It's weird that [second-hand] is still allowed because it doesn't work like that in any other software industries, so it would be great if they could somehow fix that issue as well."

are we on the same planet or is this guy kidding?

movies, music, games.. they ALL have second hand sales going on.. so what "software industry" is he referring to in this?

the only time the second hand sales doesn't work is in pure DD, and most customers are smart enough to rip those for backup (since most, like PSN vids, only give you a single use download, lose it and your stuck.. Apple just let up on that for Itunes recently) which they consider piracy anyways, so not sure if it matters.

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

Uh...  He's referring to the software (programs, operating systems, etc) industry, not the media (movies, music, books, etc) industry.  So, I guess he's on planet Earth with the rest of us?

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

hmm thats odd, i can easily sell my OS disc/key and have it'll still work for the new user, granted a store won't be in the middleman, but it is entirely possible.

same for Office, or other programs. Maybe not resalable on the business level, but on private, its very much done the same as anything else. Ebay is loaded with such sales for those things. Even accounts for things such as MMO's and STEAM are up for sale (though it CAN lead to ban if proven, thats a ToS agreement and hard to prove usually)

its not hard, and for the most part its merely an exchange of disc and key ala any piece of regular software, or account name/password and change of email address for others. Software is not exempt from used sales, in store used maybe, but on the consumer level no.

either way though, Games are part of the media industry any ways sooo.. it may be made of software, but its not in the business software category.

 

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

I'm not saying he's absolutely right.  Whether games are more like media or more like other software is open to interpretation.  But as you yourself just pointed out, there are plenty of examples of software (including some games, even) that is not able to be resold (or at least not supposed to be, according to the licenses).  So the idea that game software in general should be treated the same way is not so ludicrous that nobody from planet earth could think it.  I'm not saying it's the right idea, but the logic is pretty easy to follow, even if you don't necessarily agree.

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

Although it's by no means true of all software, there are a lot more examples of applications software that is tied to a specific user or machine, than is the case with video game software.  For example I can't legally give anyone my copy of 3ds MAX.

On the other hand, though, I can't legally give anyone access to my World of Warcraft account either.  It's just a matter of prevalence I think.

However, I think apps should be more transferable like games, not that games should be less transferable like apps.

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

He probably means programs such as Office packages, Photoshop, things like those. Doesn't compare to entertainment, but to tools required for work.

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

Who doesn't love fuzzy math?

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

You know what would make me turn my Crysis 2 copy into a legitimate one?  PUT IT ON STEAM.

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

well it WAS on steam :)

thats where i have my copy..

but because EA wants to have total control over their DLC, and Valve feels they should have some control over it..

well.. the two just aren't getting along. TBH i doubt its as bad as that, seeing as thats EA's word on it. STEAM has plenty of games where you can't get the DLC off steam (namely a few GFWL titles, and until recently the first 2 Mass Effects were fine.. But the DCS titles still get DLC from their makers (hell AC10 doesn't even use STEAM drm and its on steam.. and yes, i mean the steam version.. the games 64 bit, but steam is not.. sooo.. yeah it doesn't work :) dload from steam, but non-steam game.. go fig.) )

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

3rd or 4th nail in coffin , keep on nail'n!


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Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

"if we can convert 25 percent of those gamers into paying customers"
With that attitude? Good luck. You're not ever getting a penny from me.

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

Of course they do.

Not that we expected otherwise from the company whose CEO says things like Crysis would have sold 20 million units if not for piracy.

I know I'll never buy or pirate a Crytek game, new or used. I don't give money to companies that don't respect gamers, and Crytek is one of the worst out there.
 

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

Nothing makes me more likely to pirate a game rather then paying for it then the company deciding to cripple it with DRM. If the pirated version is much easier to use and has less restrictions then the paid version it is the obvious choice. I don't mind serial keys and I have a ton of games on Steam but I will not pay for any game with an always on connection required for single player or anything along those lines. 

The Gamestop used game model is very predatory and I can definitely see problems with it but any company that supports total elimination of used game sales loses my money. Fortunately there are enough indie companies popping up to fill the void left by the crap attitudes of so many of the major companies. 

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

This guy is an idiot. I bet the way they try to convert that 25% of pirates is through horrible DRM that will not work to convert any pirate. I know of no person who is willing to knowingly enter an abusive relatonship. 

IF he really wants to increase sales, perhaps he should talk to Stardock and get some advice from them:

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/168985/How_to_gain_loyal_fans_Show_yo...

Re: Crytek Thinks New Consoles that Block Used Games 'Would ...

I think this is a recurring problem with small business owners.  There is a certain high that comes from doing economically well in a field, but their heads get to big and they confuse the ability to make money with the ability to understand money, so they start armchairing bigger picture areas.

Small business CEOs too often forget that they are specialists, they are good at what they do, but their experience outside that niche is often limited.  Within the US this has become a huge political deal since we have built up a mythology around such people being inherently better then others, and the GoP has really fed on thier egos in order to get the 'small buisness vote', including getting such people to lobby for things that are against their interests since, well, they are not economists and do not actually understand what they think they do.  It doesn't help that such people are often hard working and thus do not have the leisure time to develop that knowledge, so they take the shortcut of 'it feels right, and people who say I am awesome say this is right!'

 
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