Poll: Is Deciding Not To Vote Justifiable?

November 7, 2012 -

In the weeks leading up to the general election, it's nigh impossible to avoid getting bombarded with phone calls, flyers and PSAs from overzealous but civic-minded individuals espousing the importance of pausing Halo 4 for a few minutes to go down to the polls and cast your vote.

Well, some people decided not to vote.  And I'm not talking kids or non-U.S. citizens, I mean people who could vote but chose not to.  How do you like them apples?

This week's poll asks if such a decision is ever justified.  Are there any legitimate reasons for not voting?  What are they?  Do you feel that anyone who can vote, should?  Even if they don't like any of the candidates?  Tell us why.

What are your thoughts on voting for a write-in candidate?  What if that write-in candidate is something silly like Optimus Prime?

Hit up the comments section or send us an email at SuperPACPodcast@gmail.com and let us know what you think.  We'll discuss this topic and your opinions on the next podcast.

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-Reporting from San Diego, GamePolitics Contributing Editor Andrew Eisen


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Re: Poll: Is Deciding Not To Vote Justifiable?

Someone Pour some ice water on this comment section to cool things down. 

While it is true that in the greater scheme of things counting the Popular vote serves no larger purpose to the country, and they probably only show it for the sake of it. However it is important that the electoral college still exist (for the time being) as not everyone who votes is doing so to serve the country.

Lets face it, there are a lot of people who are either ignorant of politics or flat out dumb, and do absolutely no research, yet still vote. They listen to charismatic people who tell them what to do and who to vote for, people with their own agendas, and im not talking just about politicians. While we all have a written write to vote, wel ALSO have a Unwritten duty to study up on the details for each subject otherwise we are only hurting our country. Hense where the electoral college comes in. The members of the college are informed on who its members should vote for by the votes of its citizens and prevents excessive ignorance from turning the election into ONLY a personality contest. SO yes your votes do still matter to a point.

Yes politics can be boring and mind numbing by its daunting volume, but complaining about voting wont fix the problem. And yes you have the option to not vote, but doing so isn't sending much of a message to anyone. Also there are other things on the ballots to vote on where your voice DOES matter such as local politics where you can make a difference.

 

P.S. I have no ties to any particular party, and beleive that both Dems and Repubs have their points and problems. I am a American above all else.

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"And yes you have the option to not vote, but doing so isn't sending much of a message to anyone. "

Oklahoma saw a 100,000 increase in registered voters this year over 2008. It also saw a 100,000 decrease in voter turnout over the same time period. In Oklahoma, we were the only state in the US that was limited to two choices for President. We are also the only state in the nation that is represented by only two parties. (I don't count the Americans Elect party because they abandoned the state almost immediately after gaining ballot access)

I think that drop in voter turnout sends a clear message that the hearts of a 3rd of the registered voting body in Oklahoma is just not in it any more. They are disenfranchised by the major parties and they need something to light that fire in them. Something the Republicans and Democrats just can't offer.

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Sorry but that statistic doesn't have any meaning to me as it lacks any other number to match it with. So there were 100,000 more registered voters, from what?(providing a estimate of how many registered voters would help if someone could find it =) )

What i do know is that there is a estimated population of 3,791,508 people in that state(thanks wikipedia), so 100,000 plus people isn't much of a dent in the bigger picture even if only half of the population can vote. (though again i don't have any other statistics of registered voters to work with.) 

And again there were other things to vote on.  On my ballot I had to vote for several other positions as well as vote on several questions like having our senator push for bills to legalizing marijuana, push to end the whole "companies as people" nonsense, and more. 

I didn't know that Oklahoma only had two options for president, which stinks(you learn something new every day); though i have to ask, was there a "Other" option with a blank space? If so than I would have chosen that and written something in there.....

 

Come to think of it, that kinda gives me an idea.... Make a imaginary candidate, one who appeals to a lot of people, but is distinct. He or she could be the image of a ideal politician in terms of behavior and personality, but they would only exist on the internet. The point you ask? If he/she is wildly popular, and chunks of people across the country vote for him/her some people will take notice and become interested. The goal wouldn't be for them to win of course, just to catch people and other politicians attention. Kinda like that Robin Williams movie about a comedian running for president, only better.

Oh me and my idealist notions....

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A Few Things:

  1. Registered voters in 2008 - about 2 million
  2. Voter Turnout in 2008 - about 1.4 million
  3. Registered voters in 2012 - about 2.1 million
  4. Voter Turnout in 2012 - about 1.3 million
  5. About a net loss of voters of 200,000
  6. Oklahoma has gone to the Republican Presidential Candidate for the last 30 or so years
  7. Oklahoma has no write-in option
  8. I voted on everything but President.
  9. You would have learned those last two by reading my other comments

Those numbers were meant to show that a greater number of Oklahomans are not that thrilled about the election of the President.

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I voted!  I'm a bit surprised some people here only think there were two candidates for the position of President of the United States.  There were four listed options on my ballot.  Plus there is this "write-in" field where you can write in whoever you think would be a better option - there probably won't be enough votes for them, but at least you voted.  A lot of people write in "Mickey Mouse" because they think Mickey Mouse, a completely fictional character, and his friends would do a better job at being POTUS than the "Goofies" listed on the ballot.

There are a lot more people on a ballot than just the President too.  You don't have to vote for a President, but at least vote for some of the other people.  Especially if you want to make changes in your community!

- Left4Dead Why are zombies always eating brains? I want to see zombies that eat toes for a living. Undead-related pun intended.

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"There were four listed options on my ballot.  Plus there is this "write-in" field where you can write in whoever you think would be a better option -"

That must have been nice. I had two options for President with no write-in. I live in Oklahoma, the Russia of the United States.

"There are a lot more people on a ballot than just the President too.  You don't have to vote for a President, but at least vote for some of the other people.  Especially if you want to make changes in your community!"

Yep and I made sure to vote in those elections when there was someone who I could support. Unfortunately, the US Representative I voted for lost, and so did the State House and Senate members I voted for. I wasn't really expecting any of them to win because none of them were Republicans, but I did my part.

At least the three state questions I voted "yes" on passed and the Sheriff I voted for won.

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I don't vote because of the electoral college. Because one vote does not matter. Because a person can become president despite losing the popular vote.

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That's entirely correct. A candidate can win the election with only ~21% of the popular vote, if they win the key states.

The problem with the electoral college:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k

-Greevar

"Paste superficially profound, but utterly meaningless quotation here."

Re: Poll: Is Deciding Not To Vote Justifiable?

i argued that with my social studies teacher back in HS, and even with the book right in front of him he denied it was possible :p

tis another reason i don't vote tbh, but hardly the biggest :p

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Its a right, not an obligation.   I do wish people who don't want to vote because of their distaste for the corruption in the American political system would consider voting third party though.  

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I would love that too. Unfortunately, there are some people in the US who are living under election laws that would put Russia to shame.

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It's justifiable with the fact that the Electoral college holds the power, making the popular vote pretty useless.

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As the saying goes, no drop believes it is responsible for the flood.....

Sure, each individual vote is not that big, but they add up.  People get pissy because they feel if they don't have  exceptional power they don't have any... some kind of 'if I am not more powerful then average people, then I have no power!'.

As for the original question, I am not even sure what 'justified' really means in this case.

 

Are there any legitimate reasons for not voting?  What are they? 

Well, besides 'something more important is happening', there is something to be said for people not voting in large numbers.  While some might consider it a facade, often the strength of one's mandate has an impact on how far a political figure will push something.  A huge non-voting turn out is a pretty weak mandate and other figures will take note of that when dealing with the elected offical.

Do you feel that anyone who can vote, should? 

I always want to say 'people who are uninformed probably shouldn't', but I am not so sure about that.  I think even if it is an ignorant voice, it should still be heard.  As soon as we start trying to split up who 'should' vote and who 'should not' we go down a rather dark road.

Even if they don't like any of the candidates?

It is rare for there to be no 'lesser evil'.  Even if no candidate lines up perfectly or ideally with one's views, chances are one of them will line up better then others.  Politics is full of compromises, esp on such large scales at the US.   Getting as close to what you want, rather then 'what I want or nothing' is more productive then not.

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George Carlin says it better than I can:
George Carlin's opinion on voting.

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George Carlin is usually a very bright man, but that is quite possibly the most idiotic thing I've ever read a smart person say.

When people complain about a politician, a vast majority of the time it isn't a politician they voted for (therefore didn't elect).

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

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"When people complain about a politician, a vast majority of the time it isn't a politician they voted for (therefore didn't elect)."

So you agree that even if I did not vote, I have every right to complain about what Obama does in office? You also agree that I would still have the right to complain if Romney had won the election?

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If your vote won't make a difference anyway (there's what, 9 swing states?) and you have important stuff to do that day, or if, from your point of view, the situation truly becomes about choosing the lesser of two evils, I can definitely understand why you'd choose not to vote. There's 11 political parties in the Dutch House of Representatives right now, and there were a few other parties which had a shot at winning a seat, and even then I ended up going with the least of all evils when voting, so I can definitely see how people would be disillusioned enough not to vote if there's only two candidates.

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It might not matter in the presidential election, but there's another dozen or more elections on the ballot.

First, a note on swing states: There's only around 5-9 swing states due to turnout on either side from people thinking that way, by registered voters, there should be over 20, including some of each party's hardcore stronghold states. More reliable red states than blue states in this group, but the list still includes Wisconsin, Michigan, and Massachusetts. Even New York by some counts. The fact that full turnout would turn New York and Texas into narrow wins if not full fledged swing states alone should show the folly of this way of thinking.

But if it doesn't, then consider this: Only a couple states are nearly so solid at any other level, and the farther down the line you get, not only do the margins get smaller and the party holds weaker, but their impact on your life increases. Exceptionally few local elections are party locks, and these are the ones who have the most direct influence on your property tax (and if you think you don't pay property tax, think again, because your rent is directly based on it).

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my simple answer is.. i just don't care anymore.

regardless of which one gets in i probably won't agree with 2/3 of the choices they make, and even if i do i'll have to listen to others piss and moan about how they don't. It's always a viscious cycle of dems vs repubs, and a bunch of old farts thinking they know what the people want without ever even stopping to ask unless it somehow benefits them directly in some way. they work in a very close minded environment based on whichever party they serve, step outside those bounds and they become outcast and replaced quickly. IMO it just doesn't matter, as its been going on for ages now and as with all great empires, this one is just as doomed. my only hope is i'm long gone before it hits the final breaking point so i don't have to listen to them bitch more.

so i just remove myself from the cycle and ignore both ends. And i won't even complain of either at that point, i'll just shrug and point at the voters and say "hey, you voted'em in, not me, go complain to yourself".

sue me.

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I really had a hard time walking into the poll after the "fallout" over Chris Christie and Obama.  Neither party deserves respect.  Hell, neither Liberal dogme nor Conservative dogma deserves any respect.

Republicans are mad at Christie for giving props to Obama for his help with the Hurricane.  Democrats are upset that Christie did a good job dealing with the Hurricane. It is utterly insane that, on a rare instance of the government doing it's job like it's supposed to do, the Democrats and Republicans get upset.  All they care about is the good of their respective party.

It's about time for all Liberals and Conservatives to step aside and let the grownups run things.  I'm tired of the country getting ruined because of tribal political dogmatism.  

 

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The whole aftermath of Christie and Obama was just laughable. How Rupert Murdoch actually demanded that Christie reaffirm that he was backing Romney, or take blame if he looses. He had tweeted this, and I'm fighting the urge to tweet back and say 'Hey, you still blame him??' 

The only thing I hated this time around is they my aunt got ultra political on me and really spammed her Facebook with Anti-Romney stuff. I'm already voting against him so she's preaching to the choir. And when my ultra conservative grandmother and my ultra liberal aunt get together, things get interesting, and I don't mean in a good way. Judy's talking and grandmother shouts for her to shut up, she don't want to hear it. Meanwhile Grandma is a rabid Fox News fan and only accepts news from them and the Republican talk radio, and can spew out as much stuff as Judy, but won't listen to any other points of view and will scream for the other to 'shut up'.

So this is my family. Most of them are rabid Republicans. And they will only watch Fox News. Least I know my parents and Grandmother is like this. Far as I know, Judy and I are the only liberals in the family. To the topic at hand, It didn't keep me from voting. I was 'undecided' for a while, at least up until the 2008 elections. That time Grandmother was spewing the anti Democrat rhetoric and was shoving the likes of Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly down my throat nearly every time I saw her.

So...TL;DR version: I hate election time due to the way my family acts about 'their' party. But it doesn't keep me from voting. Besides, both sides stink something rotten.

 - Warren

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Re: Poll: Is Deciding Not To Vote Justifiable?

It's absolutely justified.  You just give up any right to complain about what the government is doing.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

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Voting is a constitutional right, isn't it? As such, it needs no justification - even if you decide not to.

It's just a lousy idea not to.

And you can still complain all you'd like. Just don't expect people not to view you as a hypocrite if you do.

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"You just give up any right to complain about what the government is doing."

That is absolute bull. If you are restricted in who you can vote for, such as Oklahomans, and you are morally and ethically opposed to either candidate, then you are 100% justified in not voting and your 100% retain the right to complain.

Even if you have more than two options, you are well within your right, if you find that no candidate meets your qualifications, to not vote and still complain. Why? Because the person elected does not meet your qualifications.

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The problem with this argument is that choosing not to vote is a vote for the winner.  THAT's why you have no right to complain - in essence, you voted for the victor, regardless of why you didn't vote.  As such, you're just as responsible for the victor being elected as you would have been had you voted for that person.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

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How is that so? How did my non-vote in Oklahoma help Obama win? Romney took Oklahoma nearly 70% to 30%. I am one vote and unless only 4 people voted, my vote would have done nothing to tip Oklahoma to Obama's favor.

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Excuses, excuses.  How many other people in Oklahoma are saying that right now?  It's entirely possible there were enough people there to have given Romney the edge.

Or did you not think about that because you're too livid over the fact that someone dared disagree with you?

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

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"How many other people in Oklahoma are saying that right now?  It's entirely possible there were enough people there to have given Romney the edge."

Oklahoma had a 63% voter turn-out this year. That is just out of registered voters. I have no clue how many people are not registered by could be. However, even if that other 37% had voted and had voted for Obama, it still would not have been enough to tip the vote in his favor. Sure it would have been closer, but still nowhere near a win.

Edited to fix my percentages.

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Sorry, in my rush, I misspoke. I will leave my comments above. 

Had all those who were registered but did not vote, instead voted for Obama, he would have taken the state. However, Oklahoma Democrats and many Independents still lean Republican, so that 37% would still be split between the two candidates. It would have taken at least 2/3 of the non-voters to vote Obama in order for him to have won the election in Oklahoma. 

Edited to fix my percentages.

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If you can come up with a good enough reason for why you didn't vote for either party then sure, go ahead. If your only excuse is because you don't like either choices (but could make a choice) or are too lazy to vote then you are, plain and simple, a hypocrite.

How ignorant or idiotic does one have to be to care so much about who runs their country to complain about it but not so much to actually vote and try and make a difference?

Complaining about it when you didn't vote is essentially saying you hate the new regime or Presidency but you were too damn lazy to bother doing something about it, and there's no fucking excuse for laziness.

The world isn't black and white though, which is why there will always be exceptions to the rule in your case. I vote, because I enjoy my non-hypocritical bitching rights.

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Generalizations are never going to convince anyone that you are right. Who are you to say that the person not voting did nothing to find someone to vote for? Who are you to say that someone else's personal morals or ethics are just them being lazy or hypocritical? You do not know what is in the hearts and minds of other people.

I chose not to vote for President this year. I am not a hypocrite. I am not lazy. I will complain about who got elected. Why? Because I did not support either candidate Oklahoma told me I had to vote for. I tried to get other candidates on the Oklahoma ballot that I wanted to vote for, but all those candidates were blocked by the state of Oklahoma. I have a firm moral commitment to NEVER vote for evil, no matter how lesser it may be. I considered both choices that Oklahoma told me to vote from as evil.

So shut your ignorant mouth when you have no freaking clue what you are talking about.

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"So shut your ignorant mouth when you have no freaking clue what you are talking about."

One man disagrees with you and you think that makes him ignorant? Once you start using ad hominems (attacks against the person, not their argument) then you invalidate everything you stand for and look completely ignorant yourself.

I wasn't attacking you personally, I was merely saying that people who refuse to vote yet complain about it are, in fact, hypocrites and posted the hypothetical question where-upon I find it incredibly difficult to comprehend how one can complain about something so much but then refuse to even try to resolve the issue when given the chance.

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"One man disagrees with you and you think that makes him ignorant? Once you start using ad hominems"

No. One man paints every person who did not vote with a single broad brush. Big difference. Perhaps if you used qualifiers such as "some", "most", "many", "a few", then I would have little reason to react so harshly. However, I am sick of people generalizing about me and claiming to know what I am thinking, or how I feel about my actions. 

"I find it incredibly difficult to comprehend how one can complain about something so much but then refuse to even try to resolve the issue when given the chance."

Why don't you ask them instead of painting them with a broad brush? You might be amazed at what you learn when you aren't busy stereotyping or painting people in your own biases.

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You've never heard of the right-in vote, have you?  You call others ignorant, yet you don't even understand the right to vote that you are so vehemently arguing about.

Face it - if you chose not to vote, you voted for the victor.  You didn't say "I don't like either of these two!"  You said "I don't give a shit about what happens in this country."  You could have wrote someone in.  Anyone.  You know what THAT would have said?  It would have stated "I believe that this person whom I write in would do a better job than either candidate!"  But you were too lazy or too stupid to think of such.

That is why you have no right to complain.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

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"You've never heard of the right-in vote, have you?"

Do you mean "write-in vote"? If so, it just shows how ignorant YOU are. Oklahoma has no write-in vote. You vote for the candidates the state Legislature wants you to vote for or you don't vote.

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Exactly - the world isn't black and white, so people who don't vote because they think both candidates will run the country into the ground, or because neither candidate fit their beliefs at all, and then complain because the winner does, in fact, run the country into the ground or does, in fact, stuff that goes completely against the voter's beliefs, are always hypocrites. It's simple.

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Actually, they would be.  That's the whole point of the write-in vote.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

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Except five states in the US do not allow for write-in votes. Not every state has the same election laws. Some are more permissible than others, some are horrible. Oklahoma is the worst when it comes to new parties and the President.

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If it ain't black and white, why do you paint it as such? Because seriously, calling people idiots for not trying to make a difference? Who says their vote will?

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The whole POINT of the votes is that they make a difference!  2000 was decided by 563 votes.  The Governor's race in Minnesota was decided by just a few thousand.  Their voice DOES matter, now more than ever.  If they choose not to use it when it DOES matter, then they have no right to complain when it DOESN'T matter.

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

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Please tell me how my vote matters when Oklahoma goes to Romney 70% to 30%.

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Whilst I get the general idea of the electoral college, the fact remains that nobody knows how that number is going to turn out until after vote day, and just because 70% of people say they're going to vote for whoever doesn't mean that many actually will.

If you're not apart of the solution you're apart of the problem.

Sure, that's a generalisation but you know what? Fuck it. The world needs to stop being so fucking apathetic.

Don't like it? Stand up then. Find other people who agree with you and get them to do the same. Revolutions don't happen overnight, and they don't happen because people are deafeatist.

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"Whilst I get the general idea of the electoral college, the fact remains that nobody knows how that number is going to turn out until after vote day, and just because 70% of people say they're going to vote for whoever doesn't mean that many actually will."

Unless the demographics of Oklahoma took a dynamic shift over the last 4 years, I will go ith 30+ years of precedent in which Oklahoma has gone to the Republican Presidential candidate for every election by a 20+ percentage point margin.

"‚ÄčIf you're not apart of the solution you're apart of the problem."

It depends on what the "solution" is.

"Sure, that's a generalisation but you know what? Fuck it. The world needs to stop being so fucking apathetic."

I agree, but that still doesn't make generalizations a proper argument.

"Don't like it? Stand up then. Find other people who agree with you and get them to do the same. Revolutions don't happen overnight, and they don't happen because people are deafeatist."

Who says I am being defeatist? Who says I have not been doing exactly as you proscribe? 

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70% of legally eligible voters didn't vote for Obama.  70% of the people who VOTED, voted for Obama.

You call everyone here who disagrees with you ignorant, but you can't even make that very BASIC distinction?

--- With the first link, the chain is forged.

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Looking back over your comments, it is becoming more clear to me why you are so confused. Let me explain a little.

The United States has an Electoral College that chooses the president. Each state is allotted a number of electors equal to their number of representatives in the Legislative branch. 1 elector per Congressman and Senator. Each state gets to choose how those electors are selected.

Oklahoma has chosen a system in which the winner of a "first past the post" election gets all 7 of its electors. This means that the majority winner in a two person race gets all seven, or in the case of more than two candidates running, the plurality winner gets them all.

In Oklahoma we had about 1.3 million people cast a vote for president. Of that 1.3 million, 70% of them voted for Romney and 30% of them voted for Obama. Since 70% is clearly bigger than 30%, all 7 of Oklahoma's electors went to Romney. 

Had I voted for President, my vote would have done nothing to change that fact. If I voted for Romney, he still would have gotten 70% of the vote and won all 7 electors. Had I voted for Obama, he still would have gotten 30% of the vote and Romney would have won all 7 electors.

1 vote in either direction is meaningless in Oklahoma. It has been for at least 20 years.

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This idea is anathema to American politics yet so prevalent among some people.

Guess what, maybe the vote is so lopsided because everyone else who would have voted for Obama used your logic. Probably not but even if the candidate you vote for does not get elected the politicians and political parties take notice of degree of difference and will sometimes change their strategies based on those numbers.

In any case people in America are free not to vote if they don't want to. Some people do not like the electoral college but it certainly mitigates against mob rule and is probably a more stable system than a direct democracy.

While I vote for national candidates the real reason to vote is your local initiatives.

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"70% of legally eligible voters didn't vote for Obama.  70% of the people who VOTED, voted for Obama."

What?

"You call everyone here who disagrees with you ignorant, but you can't even make that very BASIC distinction?"

It would help if you spoke English.

 
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