RNC Renounces NSA Surveillance at Winter Meeting

January 24, 2014 - GamePolitics Staff

The Republican National Committee passed a resolution today renouncing what it is calling "unconstitutional National Security Agency surveillance programs." This is quite a shift in position for the party which defended the ramping up of these programs after the 911 attacks. The resolution was affirmed by a voice vote at the GOP’s winter meeting.

The RNC called upon Republican lawmakers "to immediately take action to halt current unconstitutional surveillance programs and provide a full public accounting of the NSA’s data collection programs."

The one page resolution calls for "a special committee to investigate, report, and reveal to the public the extent of this domestic spying."

This committee would then make suggestions for reforms well beyond what President Barack Obama suggested a week ago. The committee also wants to punish "those public officials who are found to be responsible for this unconstitutional surveillance."

Source: Politico


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Re: RNC Renounces NSA Surveillance at Winter Meeting

Rank hypocrisy by the Republicans.

If Republican win back the White House, they will be right back to their old position of trampling our rights, calling civil liberties a "pre-911 mentality" and supporting policies like Bush's warrantless wiretapping and torture.  

But then, Republicans can't win the White House any more, can they? 

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It's sort of funny I have to agree. On both sides I've seen flip flopping on many issues. Liberals like Obama were against the debt ceiling and now there are those all for it. On the Republican front we see the same thing as well. Though it's sort of interesting to see certain people sticking to their beliefs. Even if I don't agree with the policy I can respect the person who sticks with his or her beliefs regardless of who is in power.

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True fact but false equivalency.

1) Democrats  were never in favor of government default rather than raise the debt ceiling. But Republicans are in favor of catastrophic collapse of rather than allow payment of spending THEY VOTED FOR. 

2) When Democrats votes against the debt ceiling it was only a tactic to force all the members of the Republican majority under Bush to cast debt ceiling increase votes to show the Republican's utter hypocrisy on the issue: they support debt ceiling increase under a Republican president but they support the collapse of America under a Democratic president. 

Republicans are against America. 

 

 

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It's not surprising, both parties base their position on who is in the White House. Under Bush, Democrates were the ones filibustering and Republicans were shouting obstructionist and attempting to do away with it, now it's the other way around. You can't be a politician without being a hypocrite it seems. Before the election when Romnie had shot at the White House, Obama was determined to get rules in place regarding drone strikes but they quickly died when it was clear he would win second term.

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False equivalency. Both parties have used the filibuster to make a point in extreme cases, but the Republicans have abused it far out of proportion with any time in history to stop everything and harm America.

Or are jaywalkers the same as murderers?  

 

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I am wondering if you know what a false equivalency is, that's twice you've used it and followed it with inane rambling in support of Democrates while not addressing the point of the post you reply to. Also can you quantify this harm or is just your opinion that republican filibusters were more harmful than Democrates, assuming their was any harm in the first place. Even if you can THAT WAS NOT THE POINT.

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"Also can you quantify this harm or is just your opinion that republican filibusters were more harmful than Democrates, assuming their was any harm in the first place. "

Quantified:

When Republicans are in power they admit to economic reality, like the fact that stimulus and extending unemployment insurance benefits are important for economic health during difficult economic times.

When Republicans are out of power, the fight against stimulus and extending unemployment insurance, throwing away their former concerns for the negative effects of that obstruction on economic health. By their own logic, they are harming the economy.

Democrats consistently support stimulus and extending jobless benefits whether they hold the White House or not. They are not hypocrites on that like the GOP. Your false equivalence fails.

Try facts: http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/economy/news/2011/08/31/102...

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"that's twice you've used it and followed it with inane rambling in support of Democrates"

What part was inane and what part was rambling? Be specific.

"while not addressing the point of the post you reply to."

How did it not address the point of the post? Be specific.

You attempted to show equivalence between the clear flip-flop hypocrisy of the Republicans exposed by this story and a claim of hypocrisy against the "Democrates." I acknowledged that "Both parties have used the filibuster to make a point in extreme cases, but the Republicans have abused it far out of proportion with any time in history to stop everything and harm America."

Whether you agree with me or not, I directly and clearly addressed the equivalence you claimed and asserted that it was false. Therefore I did address the point of the post and your accusation fails.

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"I am wondering if you know what a false equivalency is"

Yes

False equivalence is a logical fallacy where there appears to be a logical equivalence between two opposing arguments, but when in fact there is none...in false equivalence, someone will state that the opposing arguments have a passing similarity in support, when, on close examination, there is large difference between the quality of evidence.

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Re: RNC Renounces NSA Surveillance at Winter Meeting

Romney like McCain are RINOs not to be trusted. I find it disappointing more then anything it seems certain policies Republicans and Democrats supported changed when power shifted. As I said before those who stuck with their beliefs rather then followed the political party current narrative are those I feel we can trust.

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it is interesting to see the Republican Party turning against a program they were instrumental in creating. I wonder if the war on drug users will be next.

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The Republicans are not against this policy. They are against Obama.

(And against the President succeeding at anything. And therefore against America.)

They will return to support for this policy the way they only support stimulus and rampant government spending when the President is from the GOP. 

It's funny when anyone actually believe Republicans have any core value other than winning at all costs, including the cost of perpetuating recession and damaging the middle class.   

 

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Re: RNC Renounces NSA Surveillance at Winter Meeting

And you are absolutely right and I never suggested otherwise.

Re: RNC Renounces NSA Surveillance at Winter Meeting

Kewl.

Sane people need to seize this opportunity of Republican weakness and lock down our privacy protections again, since restoration of freedom can only happen during Democratic administrations. Unfortunately, no laws will stop the GOP from shredding our rights again if they ever get the White House again. 

Another fine reason to keep the Republicans constantly OUT of power - its the only way to get them to actually support civil liberties. 

But don't hold your breath on the GOP supporting and end to the war on Americans who prefer any substances other than alcohol or prescription medication abuse.

Criminalizing consensual behavior is too vital to the Republican voter suppression efforts for them to give it up. After all, it is the only hope of the rump Southern White party to cling to any national power now that a clear majority of American voters oppose Republicans in the White House, Senate, and the House by a million votes or more. 

Vote against Republicans everywhere. 

 

 

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Re: RNC Renounces NSA Surveillance at Winter Meeting

I don't care care who is in power. This sort of power and intrusion into our liberties is power no President or government agency should have....regardless of who or what party is in power.
 
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