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IronPatriotBut hey, you're welcome.05/29/2015 - 5:23am
Andrew EisenEZK did say he didn't find any info on the appeals process. And if all he did was look at the ratings process part of the ESRB's website, he wouldn't have. That's where I would have looked too. But hey, thanks for being thorough and finding the info.05/29/2015 - 5:01am
Andrew EisenDude, again. I am NOT saying there is no appeals process. THERE OBVIOUSLY IS. All I am saying is that the appeals process is not described in the ratings process part of the ESRB's website.05/29/2015 - 4:59am
IronPatriotI googled appeal esrb.org and it is the first and third hits. Second is esrb talking about appeals for web publishers. Gamefaqs is fourth.05/29/2015 - 4:01am
IronPatriotZachary said he did not find any information about a formal appeals process. I did a simple search and found two places on the esrb site with the info. Just sayin.05/29/2015 - 3:57am
IronPatriotOn Google I get "1 Written Testimony of Patricia E. Vance President ... - ESRB" http://www.esrb.org/about/news/downloads/pvtestimony_6_14_06.pdf05/29/2015 - 3:55am
Andrew EisenNow, that post on GameFAQs was made four years ago. It appears the ESRB has since moved the appeals process stuff behind the publisher login on its website.05/29/2015 - 3:32am
Andrew EisenOh, third link on the Google search. Okay. That leads to a GameFAQs message board which quotes a section of the ESRB website that includes a description of the appeals process. But when you follow the link, that quote doesn't exist.05/29/2015 - 3:30am
Andrew EisenThird link down from what? Look, I'm not arguing the existance of an appeals process. There obviously is one. I was merely noting that it's odd that it isn't described on the website's ratings process section but it is on the mobile site.05/29/2015 - 3:25am
IronPatriotOK, so use the third link down, which describes the appeals process and is not on the mobile site"Publishers also have the ability to appeal an ESRB rating assignment to an Appeals Board, which is made up of publishers, retailers and other professionals."05/29/2015 - 2:47am
Andrew EisenRight, which links to the ESRB's mobile site. On the website (again, unless I'm overlooking it) the appeals process is locked behind the publisher login.05/29/2015 - 2:37am
IronPatriotHuh? Google "appeals esrb". It is the first link. Click it. No login requested.05/29/2015 - 2:31am
Andrew EisenInteresting. It's on the mobile site but unless I'm overlooking it, I don't see it under the Ratings Process on the web site. It is under the publishers section but you can't access it without a login.05/29/2015 - 2:13am
IronPatriot"Publishers also have the ability to appeal an ESRB rating assignment to an Appeals Board made up of publishers, retailers and other professionals. " Esrb05/29/2015 - 2:01am
IronPatriotZachary, did you look on the esrb site? The esrb appeals process pops up when you search "esrb appeals" http://m.esrb.org/faq_09.php05/29/2015 - 2:00am
Andrew EisenThe humor reminds me a lot of Axe Cop.05/29/2015 - 1:37am
WymorenceOh sweet god, Kung Fury is freaking awesome...05/28/2015 - 10:03pm
E. Zachary KnightWonder, I know you can revise content and resubmit it, but I can't findany information about a formal appeals process.05/28/2015 - 7:27pm
Wonderkarpever wonder if there's an appeals process for AO?05/28/2015 - 6:55pm
Matthew WilsonDanny and Andy play the first couple of levels of the upcoming Hatred http://www.gamespot.com/videos/hatred-gamespot-plays/2300-6425016/ imho it does not look like it should be AO.05/28/2015 - 5:57pm
Andrew EisenHey, remember Kung Fury? That short film that was funded via Kickstarter a few years ago? You can watch it now. I suggest you do. It's fun! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS5P_LAqiVg05/28/2015 - 5:14pm
Goth_SkunkOriginally, yes. Some content was cut out in order to reduce its ratign from AO down to M, but PC users could work around that an unlock the full content by means of a patch. Which is what I did. :D05/28/2015 - 3:56pm
Andrew EisenKarp - Yes, for strong sexual content. Although the recent remaster contains all that content and was rated M.05/28/2015 - 3:54pm
Andrew EisenDepends on if you consider Hatred misrated. I haven't played the game or seen the ESRB's rating summary so I'm undecided.05/28/2015 - 3:53pm
WonderkarpDidnt Fahrenheit have an AO?05/28/2015 - 3:52pm
Matthew Wilson@AE that is why I said it seems more moral panic to me.05/28/2015 - 3:51pm
Andrew EisenMatthew - From what I've seen (just the trailers) the game is nowhere near as gory as many, many other games. But again, I'm guessing the AO rating comes from theme and tone rather than outright gore.05/28/2015 - 3:50pm
Andrew EisenKarp - It didn't show penetration or nudity.05/28/2015 - 3:50pm
WonderkarpI'd say Mortal Kombat X has more Gore and Violence than Hatred.05/28/2015 - 3:50pm
Matthew Wilsonwhat I mean by worse in this case its not more gory/violent than others.05/28/2015 - 3:48pm
WonderkarpI forget....did Hot Coffee actually show Penetration?05/28/2015 - 3:48pm
Andrew EisenKarp - The Skyrim mods are external mods. The Hot Coffee mod unlocked content on the disc. Big difference. Still, the content that was unlocked was still perfectly in line with an M rating in my opinion.05/28/2015 - 3:47pm
Andrew EisenThemes are factored into ratings, not just mechanics. Still waiting for ESRB's rating summary. Very curious to see what it has to say.05/28/2015 - 3:46pm
Matthew WilsonHatred is a top down shooter though, and isnt any worse than other top down shooters?05/28/2015 - 3:45pm
Wonderkarpyeah, San Andreases rerating was ridiculous. Why not rerate Skyrim with all its crazy sex mods out there? But yeah, ESRB is good as policing itself. 05/28/2015 - 3:45pm
Andrew EisenManhunt 2 and Hatred though? Eh, there's an argument to be made for the higher rating.05/28/2015 - 3:43pm
Andrew EisenRerating San Andreas was a mistake though. That seemed to be the result of kowtowing to public pressure.05/28/2015 - 3:42pm
Andrew EisenThere wasn't one. It's just a dumb rating.05/28/2015 - 3:42pm
WonderkarpI dont see Moral Panic with a racing game though05/28/2015 - 3:40pm
Matthew Wilson@AE when they tend to misrate games its normally because of moral panic surrounding it.05/28/2015 - 3:38pm
E. Zachary KnightReally awesome short film here. Predator: Dark Ages. Very well done. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRD8jAk274I05/28/2015 - 3:36pm
Andrew EisenBut hey, misrating less than five out of thousands of game ain't too bad a track record. No one's perfect.05/28/2015 - 3:32pm
Andrew EisenIt's a racing game. Despite what the ESRB says, there's no gore and it's hard to consider it violent. Yeah, there's supposed to be a driver in the vehicle and they do explode when they crash and there is a slight bloodstain when they do but come on.05/28/2015 - 3:30pm
Wonderkarpnever played it....atleast I dont think. May have rented it once from Blockbuster05/28/2015 - 3:27pm
Andrew EisenAnd I STILL say the ESRB misrated Forsaken 64. There is absolutely no reason that should be rated M.05/28/2015 - 3:23pm
Andrew EisenI just hope there a children and small animals in the game. Like dogs and cats. And elderly people on walkers and in wheelchairs.05/28/2015 - 3:20pm
Andrew EisenOh you meant "would have gotten an M rating 15 years ago" not "an M15 rating years ago." Oops!05/28/2015 - 3:19pm
Wonderkarpbut whatever. its a moot point. I'm curious if the game allows mods. I'd make the blood confetti with rainbows :P Turn the....is he really a protagonist?.... into Nathan Explosion cause seriously. Brendan Smalls gonna sue somebody05/28/2015 - 3:17pm
WonderkarpI know M is 17, but M can get sold in Walmart or Target, but they wont carry AO05/28/2015 - 3:14pm
Andrew EisenM is 17 but whatever. I'm wondering why Hatred still hasn't shown up in the ESRB's database.05/28/2015 - 3:13pm
Wonderkarpsomething like that, yeah. If like what Matthew said. "How did it get a AO rating to start with?" in comparison to games like Postal. If Postal gets an M and Hatred gets an AO, what other games could get AO that would have gotten an M 15 years ago?05/28/2015 - 3:11pm
Matthew Wilson@Wonderkarp the slippery slope is a fallacy. 2 Australian is bound by law, the esrb is not.05/28/2015 - 3:10pm
Andrew EisenKarp - I'm not following. Are you concerned that even more games are going to be rated AO or something?05/28/2015 - 3:08pm
WonderkarpI'm more worried that its a slippary slope to more Australian style ratings strictness.05/28/2015 - 3:06pm
Matthew Wilsontranslation the media overreacted to Hatred , and wrote a bunch of click bait article. I agree with the reviewer. how did it get a AO rating to start with?05/28/2015 - 3:00pm
Andrew EisenDestructoid has the first review of Hatred that I've seen. http://www.destructoid.com/review-hatred-292912.phtml05/28/2015 - 2:54pm
Wonderkarptransformers was so disapointing. I liked the first one because of the potential of the series, but then......ugh. shoot me now05/28/2015 - 1:52pm
james_fudgeGod I hate those Transformers movies so much.05/28/2015 - 1:43pm
Andrew EisenDefinitely a contender!05/28/2015 - 1:40pm
E. Zachary KnightTwilight? It made almost as much as the Transformers movies and is absolutely terrible.05/28/2015 - 1:36pm
Andrew EisenDevin Faraci over at Birth.Movies.Death calls the Transformers movies "the worst successful franchise in the history of motion pictures." I was like "oh, come on!" but I realized I couldn't think of a successful franchise that's worse. Can you?05/28/2015 - 1:26pm
Matthew Wilsonhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBWlnL6Tr6k part 2 of the witcher history05/28/2015 - 10:54am
Infophile@Wonderkarp. Yeah, that's ads. Some advertisers use a trick to open up an appstore address, which forces the phone to shift over to it. I wish providers would be more diligent about it, even if all they can do is punish offenders after it happens05/28/2015 - 10:33am
MechaCrashFor all your wounded pearl clutching and HOW DARE YOUing, you're sure quick to resort to schoolyard insults like the petulant child you are.05/28/2015 - 10:25am
MechaCrashI wasn't even trying to offend you. I just didn't care if I did, because you're a thin skinned hypocrite who routinely argues in bad faith.05/28/2015 - 10:23am
MechaCrashYeah, smearing everyone with a broad brush is your schtick. And also, I hate you.05/28/2015 - 10:22am
WonderkarpFudge, for some reason sometimes when I access Gamepolitics on my phone, it shoots me over too my app store. I think its the Ads05/28/2015 - 9:58am
WonderkarpI'm not perpetually offended. I'm an regular viewer of South Park. I have a problem with people saying gamergaters are school shooters. That and lets be honest. I dont like MechaRash05/28/2015 - 9:55am
Ivresse@MechaCrash: I'd like to refer you to the words of Stephen Fry: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGA3QGHW8AARsax.jpg05/28/2015 - 9:43am
Wonderkarpalright Fudge05/28/2015 - 9:27am
MechaCrashWhat good is being one of the perpetually offended if you don't make sure everybody sees just how offended you are?05/28/2015 - 9:02am
james_fudgeYou two can reasonably slug it out in the article in question if you want :)05/28/2015 - 8:59am
MechaCrashI wasn't expecting you to drag it into the shoutbox, either. Just when I think I have you pegged, you prove me only MOSTLY right.05/28/2015 - 8:55am
MechaCrashWhat argument? You made a joke in bad taste. I made a response joke in similar bad taste. And you are going berserk with...okay, not the flavor of HOW DARE YOU I was expecting (I thought you'd No True Scotsman, instead you dodged it entirely).05/28/2015 - 8:52am
Wonderkarpfyi, thats a self made "REDACTED" to make Mr Fudges life a little easier.05/28/2015 - 8:50am
Wonderkarphow is calling somebody out for being a [REDACTED] throwing a Tantrum? Is it cause you cant dispute my argument?05/28/2015 - 8:46am
MechaCrash"Grow a thicker skin," says the person throwing a tantrum that's filling the shoutbox.05/28/2015 - 8:40am
Wonderkarpbeen a bombing had Sarkeesian spoke, because there would be an increase police presence and nobody is THAT STUPID to make a threat like that and follow through. This isnt the movies05/28/2015 - 8:35am
WonderkarpIts what you make of them. GamerGate in DC had a bomb threat. Police were there, but GG continued to enjoy themselves and have a good time. Bomb Threats in general, you give them to the police and continue your business. I guarantee there wouldnt have05/28/2015 - 8:34am
MechaCrashhttp://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/58521856-78/sarkeesian-usu-video-feminist.html.csp Remember the talk Sarkeesian had to cancel because of death threats? Yeah. That's the thing I'm talking about.05/28/2015 - 8:30am
WonderkarpI'm not defending Bomb Threats. They are idiotic and have no place in society, but as somebody who lived through several bomb threats I can tell you they are weak05/28/2015 - 8:29am
WonderkarpSchool Shootings on the other hand are violent events that end the lives of children and come without proper warning due to mental illness and gun laws.05/28/2015 - 8:28am
Wonderkarpcause Bomb Threats are what you make of them. No successful bombing in the US has had a threat posted about it beforehand. Boston Marathon? Okahoma City? You either handle it with caution or dont handle it at all. most of the time ar done as stupid pranks05/28/2015 - 8:27am
Infophile@MechaCrash: One difference is that there's actual evidence linking GGers (or their ideological allies) to bomb threats, and no link to school shootings. For instance, we hate Jack Thompson here, but let's not accuse him of eg. committing grand theft auto05/28/2015 - 8:26am
james_fudgeGo to your corners and let the cutman do his work.05/28/2015 - 8:21am
MechaCrashHm, yes, "lol aGGs make bomb threats" is vastly different from "lol gaters threaten school shootings." Yes, I see the error of my ways! ...wait, no I don't, I see that you're still a hypocrite who can dish it out but not take it.05/28/2015 - 8:21am
WonderkarpThere is a big difference between what I said and what you said.05/28/2015 - 8:13am
MechaCrashNot that it stops you, of course.05/28/2015 - 8:11am
james_fudgeI have edited your comments. They were both inappropriate.05/28/2015 - 8:11am
WonderkarpI've had, and will always have, a serious problem with "Moral Crusaders" who would stick the crimes of a few sick individuals on the shoulders of everybody else for their own political views. Its Scapegoating BS and it is Disgusting05/28/2015 - 8:10am
james_fudgeLet's play nice in the shoutbox, please.05/28/2015 - 8:08am
MechaCrashPlease take your faux outrage and [REDACTED]05/28/2015 - 7:40am
Wonderkarpthe people who caused those events were sick mentally disturbed individuals, Not people with Political Differences or Gamers. and in comparison, a Bomb Threat is NOTHING compared to Real Child Murder. I hope you [REDACTED]05/28/2015 - 5:40am
WonderkarpI'm calling you out in public, MechaRash. What you said in the Gaming for Everyone News Post was DISGUSTING. In No way has Gamergate, OR Gamers in General ever been involved in a School Shooting Nor will they ever05/28/2015 - 5:38am
Mattsworknamemeet ips. stupid phone.05/27/2015 - 11:34pm
MattsworknameI feel ups should have a hard line expiration date. if a company doesn't use them for ten years they have to put it on the market or make it open source05/27/2015 - 11:34pm
MechaCrashPride does play a factor. If you sell an IP to someone, and they make a ton of money off it, it makes you look like a tool: why didn't YOU make that money? Better to sit on it than be embarassed that way.05/27/2015 - 10:58pm
ZippyDSMleeAS far as I understand it the suits think sitting on a an IP till the time is right is more profitable than tradeing it around.....hevean forbit soemone use soemthing to make money with....05/27/2015 - 9:58pm
Andrew EisenOh, there's also the Facebook page.05/27/2015 - 4:29pm
hidannikOkay :( Guess I'll just have to YouTube it when I've caught up on all the other podcasts.05/27/2015 - 4:13pm
 
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