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NatirAndrew, if you disagree with people like Anita Sarkeesian or Zoe Quinn, you are labeled as misogynistic. Gaming companies are at their knees when it comes to people like them and gaming journalism. You disagree with them, your reputation is on the line.07/28/2015 - 5:07pm
Andrew EisenNatir - This is what you said: "The point is that these women do very little for the gaming industry but paint it to be a very bad place. From just constant harassment from (male) gamers to just SEXISM IN THE WORKPLACE. Stuff that just isn't true."07/28/2015 - 5:06pm
NatirI'm not arguing anything about sexism and harassment in the workplace... What are you talking about?07/28/2015 - 5:04pm
Andrew EisenYes, you've linked that several times and several times I've explained why that list isn't exactly what it says it is nor is it reflective of the actual criticism.07/28/2015 - 5:04pm
Mattsworknamehttp://www.giantbomb.com/female-protagonists/3015-2287/games/07/28/2015 - 5:01pm
MattsworknameFor the record, here is a list of games with female protagnists from they year 2014, as per giant bomb.07/28/2015 - 5:01pm
Mattsworknameandrew, I think natir may have ment a differnet point. I don't think he was aruging the workplace side, I think he was aruging the diversity in the games themselves, maybe.07/28/2015 - 5:01pm
Andrew EisenAnd I'll repeat this as many times as it needs repeating: no one (except maybe some random, anonymous numb nuts on Twitter) is calling anyone a misogynist simply for disagreeing with Sarkeesian and her ilk.07/28/2015 - 5:01pm
Andrew EisenNatir - What lie? What movement? What does that snide quote have to do with anything?07/28/2015 - 5:00pm
Andrew EisenMatt - Completely disagree. Any thinking person can see that just like with gamers, the most toxic elements, while the most attention getting, are not the majority or representative of the whole.07/28/2015 - 4:59pm
Andrew EisenNatir - Harassment and sexism in the workplace is true. It's been extensively observed and documented. That doesn't mean everything is bad. But that all doesn't mean shining a light on it to try and make it even better is an undesirable move either.07/28/2015 - 4:57pm
NatirThe movement they started is based on a complete lie and that is the real problem. Most people don't realize or those that do, ignore it because of the reprisal they get for disagreeing. You disagree with them and call them out? You are misogynistic now.07/28/2015 - 4:57pm
NatirHere is a good quote from the wordpress site: "Zoe Quinn with her little twine game commands the attention to be in documentaries, to be quoted on Kotaku, as Anita Sarkeesian is claimed to be one of the 100 most influential people in the world."07/28/2015 - 4:55pm
MattsworknameAndrew: its very true what you say, but with Feminism, the toxic fringe has become the main stream face of the movment, to the point where the US rep to the un on womens issues has called feminism a toxic word.07/28/2015 - 4:55pm
Natirdirectly related to games and politics.07/28/2015 - 4:53pm
NatirThe point is that these women do very little for the gaming industry but paint it to be a very bad place. From just constant harassment from (male) gamers to just sexism in the workplace. Stuff that just isn't true. Take a look for yourself since this is07/28/2015 - 4:53pm
Andrew EisenMatt - Every group has its jerk faces. Especially groups like feminists that are so large they encompass the vast majority of the population.07/28/2015 - 4:47pm
Andrew EisenAnd I don't get the sense many if any take anyone's thoughts at face value. They seem to be listening to what they have to say, evaluating what they heard, agreeing or disagreeing and acting accordingly. Or just outright ignoring them in the first place07/28/2015 - 4:44pm
Mattsworknametoxic to it's economy07/28/2015 - 4:42pm
MattsworknameWow, im out for a day and some cool discussion happens. On the subject brought up by Natir, I think modern feminism has be come toxic, at least in it's radicalized form ,much te same as I feel about how unions went from improtant things in the us to being07/28/2015 - 4:42pm
 

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